Yes, it seems that hetero talk makes some people uncomfortable:

Strange things afoot at the Circle K (http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=71267)

Even palm trees are offensive!

erotic trees (http://www.thecrimson.com/today/article506145.html)

If I had to bet money, I bet it's not the Gays, Lesbians, Transgendered, or Bisexuals that are offended - it's their supporters.

LOL, Strange things are afoot at the Circle K

THis PC crap is way out of hand. Yur last comment reminds me of the people that demand sports teams with native american inspired names change them. they are not native americans who are offended and demanding a name change, they are a bunch of goofy liberals and do gooders who get offended for them. Its enough to drive one batty

Oh! Giving these people attention is what they want...good idea boys! They wanted to draw attention to this, and it's working! Sweet! :)

yea, but Micheal Jackson is "drawing attention" too..... ya know there IS good and bad "attention"

I think the comments made in the second article pretty much sum it up...

The recent controversy surrounding the “heteronormative” speech by Pinkett Smith at this year’s Cultural Rhythms indicates once again that the BGLTSA is more dedicated to pointless rhetoric than substantive change.


By terming Pinkett Smith’s speech “heterosexist discourse,” the BGLTSA serves only to isolate and alienate proponents of a respect for diversity

These radical gay groups are doing more harm than good.

It would be offensive if she said bad things about one lifestyle, but all she did was say good things about hers. The people who preach "diversity" in this country are sometimes the least diverse of all.

Sorry if I'm being too diversanormative.

This is bullshit.

But then again so is the anti-gay crowd. Of course, making stupid claims only hurts the chance of equality, unless they were trying to make a point...

Over sensitive idiots need to realize that they are going to have to deal with shit they dont agree with, that goes for both sides.

Bumper sticker I saw:
"I dont mind straight people as long as they act gay in public"

I tried going on their website and there isnt a mention of the Jada stuff.

Originally posted by Travh20
Its enough to drive one batty.

LOL.

As clearly evidenced by the effect it has had on you.

________________________________

Most Americans do not care what the world's view may be, and isn't that attitude on the part of immensely powerful people far more dangerous for the future than anything puny Saddam ever could have done?"" _____John Chuckman

If anyone couldn't see the site, here's what she said:

``Women, you can have it all - a loving man, devoted husband, loving children, a fabulous career. They say you gotta choose. Nah, nah, nah. We are a new generation of women. We got to set a new standard of rules around here. You can do whatever it is you want. All you have to do is want it.''

She also she was proud to be African American. Her afronormative attitude offends me as a white person. She should say being white is nice too.

I love this, it's better than most shows on TV!

Originally posted by Brooks
Her afronormative attitude offends me as a white person. She should say being white is nice too.

All jokes aside....when rightwing folks in this country hear someone say something along the lines of --"We should celebrate our pride as black people"---- far too many of them immediately conclude --- "Hey, how come you people hate white people?!?!!?"

Righties are just so goddamend unrelievedly binary in their thinking.

It gets monotonous reminding them that the world is not purely black and white.

Actually, be honest here, here is the difference between black and white.

If an organization has the word "black" in it, it is interpreted as pride, community, self-help, etc.

If an organization has the word "white" in it, it is interpreted as racist, separatist and bigoted.

How would these sound to you - "The United White College Fund", "Miss White America", "National Association for the Advancement of White People", "One Hundred Whites in Law Enforcement", etc.

Originally posted by Freethinker
All jokes aside....when rightwing folks in this country hear someone say something along the lines of --"We should celebrate our pride as black people"---- far too many of them immediately conclude --- "Hey, how come you people hate white people?!?!!?"

Righties are just so goddamend unrelievedly binary in their thinking.

It gets monotonous reminding them that the world is not purely black and white.

actually, we're just giving you a dose of your own medicine.

Originally posted by Brooks
Actually, be honest here, here is the difference between black and white.

If an organization has the word "black" in it, it is interpreted as pride, community, self-help, etc.

If an organization has the word "white" in it, it is interpreted as racist, separatist and bigoted.

How would these sound to you - "The United White College Fund", "Miss White America", "National Association for the Advancement of White People", "One Hundred Whites in Law Enforcement", etc.
EXACTLY! No one could've said it any better, Brooks. :)

I dont really care either way. I think we will have reached enlightenment when we just accept diversity and not feel compeled to point it out. When it becomes that normal I shall be very happy. Until then, i'm hitting the mute button.

Wow, well said Brooks.

How would these sound to you - "The United White College Fund", "Miss White America", "National Association for the Advancement of White People", "One Hundred Whites in Law Enforcement", etc. If the shoe was really on the other foot they would sound just fine. Those organizations you are poking fun at were formed to address some very tangible inequalities and prejudices which existed in this country at the time. You can't deny that. When they are no longer relevant they will fade away. In the meantime I don't believe they are doing you any real harm...

Originally posted by fluffernutter
When they are no longer relevant they will fade away. In the meantime I don't believe they are doing you any real harm... No, you are wrong on this count. These organizations will only fade away when no one is making money off of them anymore. That is the real bottom line.

There are a hell of a lot of people I do not care for.
I feel this way without regard to race, gender, sexual preference, or national origin. :D

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
There are a hell of a lot of people I do not care for.
I feel this way without regard to race, gender, sexual preference, or national origin. :D

LOL...well said Dan...I agree...I hate everyone equally...:D

Very Mark Twain...

Seriously...the group mentioned at the beginning of this thread are fringe lunatics...thier opinion should be regarded as such, and given little credence.

Originally posted by HaVoK
No, you are wrong on this count. These organizations will only fade away when no one is making money off of them anymore. That is the real bottom line.

I understand what you're saying HaVok, but the "bottom line" is that many groups do what they do for money...this group is wrong because they're wrong.

Originally posted by fluffernutter
If the shoe was really on the other foot they would sound just fine. Those organizations you are poking fun at were formed to address some very tangible inequalities and prejudices which existed in this country at the time.

You have me all wrong on this. I'm not poking fun at anything. My point is that legitimate organizations couldn't exist with the word "white" in the name.

Another example. Rep. Charles Rangel, talking about business zones in Harlem, said it was important that citizens frequent "black owned establishments".

Suppose Tom Delay said it were important for his constituents to frequent "white owned establishments". It wouldn't be construed as a statement of neighborhood pride, would it?

Originally posted by Decka
actually, we're just giving you a dose of your own medicine.

Actually, you're very much off base if you're implying that I am in any sense of the word a binary thinker.

Originally posted by Brooks
here is the difference between black and white.

If an organization has the word "black" in it, it is interpreted as pride, community, self-help, etc.

If an organization has the word "white" in it, it is interpreted as racist, separatist and bigoted.

Which is usually, it seems to me, the case.

People (such as blacks) who are in the extreme minority are greatly benefitted by groups that promote pride, community, self-help, etc.

The motivation for such organizing is quite understandable.

OTOH, when a group (such as white heterosexual worshippers of the sky god) is the dominant majority , and more importantly when that group has an absolute stranglehold on and complete control of the political process and on societal mores and standards, there is little if any point in having groups promoting same. Having a **National Association for the Advancement of White People** would be redundant to the point of ridiculousness.

Every thing and every aspect of this society is centered around, acquiescent to, and subjugated to a white, heterosexual, religious-believing majority.

The most puzzling aspect, for me, in this argument is why so many among the group that ALREADY possesses complete control and comprises the vast majority are so worried by and dismisssive of efforts by other groups to improve themselves.

Frightened by the thought of ever having to relinquish a tiny bit of that power and control, I suppose. What utter greed.

White is not a prejudiced word. It seems to me that after the "Black Panthers" and the "Black Liberation Army", you'd hold the same ire toward the word "black". But you don't.

If I started a college fund to help white appalachian people from mining towns in W Virginia, and called it the White Children's College Fund, you are not telling me that it wouldn't be perceived differently than the United Negro College Fund. I'm not criticizing any of those other organizations. I'm just saying that the left controls the language and the perception in this case.

Originally posted by fluffernutter
In the meantime I don't believe they are doing you any real harm...
I am excluded from nearly half of all college scholarships, because I'm not black, Hispanic, Asian, female, Jewish, or some other minority. Colleges will be less likely to accept me, scholarship or no, because I'm not black, Hispanic, Asian, female, Jewish, or some other minority. I'm discriminated against because of race. I've seen plenty of "McDonald's Black American College Scholarship"s or such things. I can't apply because I'm white. Yet, blacks can apply to each and every scholarship I can, plus black-only ones. It's completely asinine. It is outright racism.

Bottom line: Affirmative action has served its purpose. It's no longer necessary. It puts an unnecessary burden on those of us unlucky enough to be of European descent and containing a Y chromosome.

Race should no longer be a factor in anything. Sex should no longer be a factor in anything except when making babies or donating sperm. It's of paramount importance to give everyone an equal playing field.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
I am excluded from nearly half of all college scholarships, because I'm not black, Hispanic, Asian, female, Jewish, or some other minority. Colleges will be less likely to accept me, scholarship or no, because I'm not black, Hispanic, Asian, female, Jewish, or some other minority. I'm discriminated against because of race. I've seen plenty of "McDonald's Black American College Scholarship"s or such things. I can't apply because I'm white. Yet, blacks can apply to each and every scholarship I can, plus black-only ones. It's completely asinine. It is outright racism.

Bottom line: Affirmative action has served its purpose. It's no longer necessary. It puts an unnecessary burden on those of us unlucky enough to be of European descent and containing a Y chromosome.

Race should no longer be a factor in anything. Sex should no longer be a factor in anything except when making babies or donating sperm. It's of paramount importance to give everyone an equal playing field.

Completely agree with you, Borg. And I hate to tell you, but it's only just beginning; the racism is at its worst, for me, in law school. Many internships are now designated for "minorities" (which is ironic cause I don't think whites are even the majority anymore in Texas) as well as scholarships. Furthermore, many organizations are "equal oppurtunity" organizations, which is a euphemism for "Unless you're at the top of your class, whites need not apply."

I'm in a civil clinic class now, and for this class, you're "required" to complete a cetain number of hours of work. The only person who didn't do their work last time was a black female, and they let her slide...

We, as a society, are not concerned with people doing their jobs well anymore, as we are with making sure a few nonwhites are involved. It is a sad state of affairs.

Another example. Rep. Charles Rangel, talking about business zones in Harlem, said it was important that citizens frequent "black owned establishments".

Suppose Tom Delay said it were important for his constituents to frequent "white owned establishments". It wouldn't be construed as a statement of neighborhood pride, would it?

Excellent analogy. You perfectly illustrated a good point. In your example, Delay or anyone else that said would be crucified. On the other hand, it's perfectly acceptable to talk about "black owned establishments."

If I ever get wealthy enough, I will quit my job and attempt to get a job alongside some minorites that have less qualifications than me. When the company hires the minorities, I will be suing the shit out of the company, and I will attempt to be making as many headlines as I can. These injustices need to be making bigger headlines. I cannot understand why this sort of reverse discrimination is allowed to exist, especially in the very blatant form that this country probably hasn't seen since the 60s.