Powell admits he lied to in his presentation to the United Nations.

Powell said he was "very sore" about the presentation he had made to the UN Security Council which turned out to have been based on false intelligence. "I will be forever be known as the one who made the case."

More here ...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050226/ts_alt_afp/britainustelegraph_050226185100

Well Colin, it's too late to amend your lies. Ya see, we now have a small problem on our hands thanks to your lies. 1500 dead troops and 100,000 dead innocent Iraquis and no end in sight.

I especially want to pass along a thank you from a friend of mine whose son believed your lies, joined, and is now in a Los Angeles cemetary.

Dop

Dop,

Did you honestly expect that I would NOT read your link before replying? You must have, because you completely distorted what Powell was saying.

For those of you who don't know, let me hit the major points of Powells press conferernce:

First last and foremost, Powell is UNAPOLOGETIC about the war in Iraq, he supported before the war, and he still supports our actions in Iraq.

Powell was uncomfortable with our troop levels in Iraq after the war. He said more troops should've been used once the major military engagements were over to help secure the peace.

Powell felt that we should've been more diplomatic with the European nations and was disapointed with France's actions concerning Iraq.

The intelligence used for Powell's U.N. presentation turned out to be false, and there was a lot of inference used on what Iraq may or may not have had as far as WMDs were concerned.

I might add that intelligence is never going to be 100% accurate and some of the intelligence you have could very well be wrong.

The way Dop colored the article, you would've thought that Powell out and out said that Bush lied and that the U.S. shouldn't be in Iraq at all, which simply isn't the case.

Try harder, dop. Or do a Freethinker and go to tvnewslies.com to get the extreme leftist fringe kook conspriracy theories. At least that site would've claimed that Powell knew that Bush lied about the whole Iraq thing, and Bush shoots little kids as they come running off the schoolbus to get home.

Dammit.

IMHO, Powell admits he lied to the UN (and the world) and now regrets it because he will have to go through the rest of his life known as the man that ... let's say ... 'got it wrong'.

Sanctimonious Powell can tell that to the children that were bombed in Afghanistan and Iraq while they were sleeping in their bed and he can tell it to the anguished, grieving parents of those children and he can tell it to the loved ones of the 1500 dead american troops.

Maybe they will forgive him but I doubt it.

Dop

Dop,

You may interpret what Powell said any way you wish to. That is your right. But what Powell DID say that he went to the U.N. and made a presentation on intelligence that was false, and he didn't like it at all. And keep in mind that Powell is unapologetic about our actions in Iraq.

As for the civilian and our miltary casualties. You are correct about one thing, I wouldn't want to go and tell the mother of some Iraqi child who died or the mother of one of our servicemen who died in Iraq that it was all for a good cause. But keep in mind, that if democracy takes off, 10, 20 or fiftly years from now, those Iraqis are going to look back, from their vantage point of freedom, and know that one country in the entire world decided that it was time for Saddam to go and did something about it. Something that allows those Iraqis to live in freedom and prosperity, and they are going to think that the casualties of Operation Iraqi Freedom were well worth it. They are also going to remember countries like France who allowed Saddam free reign to murder, rape, torture and exploit the Iraqis civilians (including children) and know that all France did was get a sweet oil deal from Iraq. Now, what side do you really want to be on?

Powell also said he wasn't happy with the report he took with him to the UN and voiced his opinion at that time. He made that statement during the 911 investigations.

He never really did buy the Niger yellowcake story nor the story that Saddam had vehicles to launch WMD's on 45 minutes notice.

His real problem is that he went from being the most respected man on the planet to just another warmongering, lieing, bushbot and he will never regain the stature he once enjoyed.

Bellafonte may be right after all.

Dop

On edit: in regards to your remark about Saddam killing his people ... did you know that it is quite possible that americans have now killed more Iraquis than Saddam?

Yes dop,

I'm well aware of the fact that we killed more innocent civilians in Iraq than what Saddam did. I just read it from the americaisevil.com and blameamericafirst.org websites. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Yes dop,

I'm well aware of the fact that we killed more innocent civilians in Iraq than what Saddam did. I just read it from the americaisevil.com and blameamericafirst.org websites. :rolleyes:
What about crustyoldhippies.net? militantgaysforkerry.org? bushisanalienandshouldbethrownintothesun.edu?

Borg,

LMAO! Thanks!

One thing for sure Darth, you're a conservative. You openly make fun of death almost as though you enjoy it.

I'm not going to throw out the Carla Faye Tucker analogy again ... ooops ... I just did.

Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
One thing for sure Darth, you're a conservative. You openly make fun of death almost as though you enjoy it.

He's not the one putting ROTFL at the end of all of his posts.

What does ROTFL have to do with anything?

It's simple OD -- when the right knows they're wrong, they're trained by Rush Limbaugh to attack the persons character, call the person names or just simply make some entirely nonsensical statement to muddy the water.

Also notice, they never do it as individuals -- they tag-team post one after another attacking a single poster with hopes they can overwhelm to the point the other forum members will perceive them as being on the right side of the issue.

I won't even respond to Lionel's ROTF remark. I've already been to kindergarden.

Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
It's simple OD -- when the right knows they're wrong, they're trained by Rush Limbaugh to attack the persons character, call the person names or just simply make some entirely nonsensical statement to muddy the water.

Also notice, they never do it as individuals -- they tag-team post one after another attacking a single poster with hopes they can overwhelm to the point the other forum members will perceive them as being on the right side of the issue.

I won't even respond to Lionel's ROTF remark. I've already been to kindergarden.

Dop
Not everyone who disagrees with you is part of "the right". There's more to politics than black vs. white, us vs. them, etc. Calm down, Dop.

And I'm fairly certain Lionel doesn't even like Rush Limbaugh...

Borg

So you're micro-managing and critiquing the content of my post and telling me to "calm down" yet you don't say a word to Lionel who's entire post consisted of ...

"He's not the one putting ROTFL at the end of all of his posts."

A real gem of a one-liner that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of the thread nor does it address in anyway my previous post to Darth.

Worse yet, you get pretty defensive when someone refers to you as being right leaning. You claim immediate membership to the moderate (whatever that means) group with leanings neither left nor right which would be the natural position for a moderator.

But of late you have been very active in defending some of the righties on the forum as we just witnessed (let me guess -- Lionel is a moderate too). Maybe you should just declare yourself a conservative and get it over with. Quit hiding in the closet -- it's getting old.

And if you want to give me the shaman treatment or worse -- ban me -- that's fine too.

Have a nice day.

Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Borg

So you're micro-managing and critiquing the content of my post and telling me to "calm down" yet you don't say a word to Lionel who's entire post consisted of ...

"He's not the one putting ROTFL at the end of all of his posts."
It's a valid point, considering your original complaint...
Worse yet, you get pretty defensive when someone refers to you as being right leaning. You claim immediate membership to the moderate (whatever that means) group with leanings neither left nor right which would be the natural position for a moderator.
I never said I'm a moderate. I'm a fairly extreme libertarian who usually leans left rather than right.

But of late you have been very active in defending some of the righties on the forum as we just witnessed
I don't "defend" anyone. I make comments of my own volition. Your post was overly general, and I didn't think that was right. It has nothing to do with my being "right" or "left" or "up" or "down" or "strange" or "charm". I'm not a quark.
(let me guess -- Lionel is a moderate too).
Lionel's the most moderate person on the board. I find myself in agreement with him a lot. Maybe if you weren't so wrapped up in calling everyone conservative, you'd see that.
Maybe you should just declare yourself a conservative and get it over with. Quit hiding in the closet -- it's getting old.
Conservative? I lean left, in general, except on some economic issues and gun control, not to mention I'm quite liberal on things like gay marriage and drugs.
And if you want to give me the shaman treatment or worse -- ban me -- that's fine too.
No, you haven't posted ten billion threads in one forum yet, to my knowledge. Shaman's pseudo-banning has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with keeping the board clean.

Fair enough borg but 2 things ...

Lionel is far from moderate and they found the top quark which apparently didn't solve anything.

Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
It's simple OD -- when the right knows they're wrong, they're trained by Rush Limbaugh to attack the persons character, call the person names or just simply make some entirely nonsensical statement to muddy the water.


I won't even respond to Lionel's ROTF remark. I've already been to kindergarden.

It's simple Borg, when Dop knows he's wrong he's trained by the conspiracy theory boards to attack the person's character, call the person names, or simply make some entirely nonsensical statement to muddy the water.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You make so many posts about how soldiers have killed or are being killed and at least 75% of your posts end with "ROTFL."

Did my post contain any insults? No. So why are you so upset? Because it's so true?

I'm not upset at you Lionel. Actually, I'm not upset with anyone.

I was simply questing Borg's defending you on the issues while at the same time claiming to be a moderate, middle of the roader.

Borg was good enough to answer me and in a somewhat entertaining but totally predictable way by assuring me that you are the most moderate on the forums and that he agrees with you on some issues so therefore he's moderate.

Not much I can say in response to that.

Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
I was simply questing Borg's defending you on the issues while at the same time claiming to be a moderate, middle of the roader.

Borg was good enough to answer me and in a somewhat entertaining but totally predictable way by assuring me that you are the most moderate on the forums and that he agrees with you on some issues so therefore he's moderate.
For the second time, I'm no moderate, nor have I claimed to be. "I'm a fairly extreme libertarian who usually leans left rather than right."

Well xqqqqmwa borg -- I won't make that mistake again.

Dop

I've been trained by Rush Limbaugh to attack those who disagree with me? While I'll admit to listening to, and agreeing with Rush Limbaugh, it is seldom I'll attack someone on a personal basis. You could dig through these posts and find only a handful of personal attacks, if that. And I never just out and out call someone a name without making some kind of point as to why I think there ideas are wrong, idiotic, naive etc.

As far as tag teaming is concerned, yes conservatives here do gang up on an individual liberal, but I've been the victim of being ganged up upon to the point where I wonder if I'm the only conservative poster on the board. (Usually brooks comes to my rescue, and there are a couple of others like decka).

Now, as far as this 100,000 deaths as the results of our invasion of Iraq, the only place I hear that is here, and I've heard that the only source for such a claim can be found at places like moveon.org, or tvnewslies.com, both of which are extreme leftist websites. Which I discounted by making wisecracks.

Now, as far as "enjoying" the deaths of our soldiers or the Iraqi civilians, nothing could be further from the truth. The U.S. came to Iraq to liberate that country from a tyrant who spent his idle hours filling mass graves. People are going to die when such an endeavor takes place. But I think it is worth the price.

What I find reprehensible is the way some of the more vocal libs on this board post day after day about the evils of Bush, or haliburton or Dick Cheney, but when something like the oil for food scandal comes up, and it's learned that various countries and Kofi Annan were profiting off the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis, those same libs don't even give it a second thought.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
For the second time, I'm no moderate, nor have I claimed to be. "I'm a fairly extreme libertarian who usually leans left rather than right."

I don't think that many of those on the far left and far right on this board really understand the idea of not following the party line.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
I don't think that many of those on the far left and far right on this board really understand the idea of not following the party line.

I agree Lionel. I don't consider myself right or left, but no doubt many on this board classify me as a liberal because it's easy to do so. I try to take a stand on the issues rather than deciding where I satnd based on where those issues fall along the political spectrum.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
I've been trained by Rush Limbaugh to attack those who disagree with me? While I'll admit to listening to, and agreeing with Rush Limbaugh, it is seldom I'll attack someone on a personal basis. You could dig through these posts and find only a handful of personal attacks, if that. And I never just out and out call someone a name without making some kind of point as to why I think there ideas are wrong, idiotic, naive etc.

As far as tag teaming is concerned, yes conservatives here do gang up on an individual liberal, but I've been the victim of being ganged up upon to the point where I wonder if I'm the only conservative poster on the board. (Usually brooks comes to my rescue, and there are a couple of others like decka).

Now, as far as this 100,000 deaths as the results of our invasion of Iraq, the only place I hear that is here, and I've heard that the only source for such a claim can be found at places like moveon.org, or tvnewslies.com, both of which are extreme leftist websites. Which I discounted by making wisecracks.

Now, as far as "enjoying" the deaths of our soldiers or the Iraqi civilians, nothing could be further from the truth. The U.S. came to Iraq to liberate that country from a tyrant who spent his idle hours filling mass graves. People are going to die when such an endeavor takes place. But I think it is worth the price.

What I find reprehensible is the way some of the more vocal libs on this board post day after day about the evils of Bush, or haliburton or Dick Cheney, but when something like the oil for food scandal comes up, and it's learned that various countries and Kofi Annan were profiting off the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis, those same libs don't even give it a second thought.
Thanks for the rant. We care, why?

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Not everyone who disagrees with you is part of "the right". There's more to politics than black vs. white, us vs. them, etc. Calm down, Dop.

And I'm fairly certain Lionel doesn't even like Rush Limbaugh... he didnt say DISAGREES, he said that they attack the character of the person borg.....and he's correct. you're the admin, and you see it all of the time. im one of the only ones that attack back in the same manner.....and gang up on,as darth put it, is different than calling someone a "stupid fucking moron". or an asshole, and things like that. liberals in most cases dont insult like that......except for myself...and i admit it only because i wqs tired of being attacked. im known for fighting fire with fire.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
I've been trained by Rush Limbaugh . so you're a hypocrite also , then, huh? he's a drug addict, who had the nerve to insult drug addicts........yeah, he's the person to listen to !

Originally posted by korg
liberals in most cases dont insult like that

There's a reason liberals have better manners, more diplomacy and can keep their kool -- they're smarter and better educated than conservatives (generally speaking)

Oh sh*t -- I just opened another can of worms .. head for the hills.

ROTF

Dop

Originally posted by Overdose
Thanks for the rant. We care, why?

LOL....just for your information, this is a "MESSAGE BOARD" overdose... you come here to give opinions and debate. If you don't care about those things, then leave the message board, thanks.

Dose,

Speaking of rants, go and see the hall of shaman. I've ranted here from time to time, but Shaman has managed to get a place to rant all to himself, dammit.

Originally posted by Decka
LOL....just for your information, this is a "MESSAGE BOARD"
Yeah. So?

Originally posted by Decka
overdose... you come here to give opinions and debate.
And he gave a rant.

Originally posted by Decka
If you don't care about those things, then leave the message board, thanks.
...thanks? Why such an asshole about it? He ranted, and I said no one cared about his rant. And I never said I didn't care about the board, I said I didn't care for his post.

:@@:

Originally posted by Overdose
...thanks? Why such an asshole about it? He ranted, and I said no one cared about his rant. And I never said I didn't care about the board, I said I didn't care for his post.

Now wait a sec.... dont try to say that i'm the asshole.... After all, you were the one who "asshole-ishly" asked if anyone cares about his post...... So why cant you take what you dish out?

And if you dont care for his post... at least refute something, dont just say "and we care why?"..... THAT my friends, is being an asshole.

Originally posted by Decka
Now wait a sec.... dont try to say that i'm the asshole.... After all, you were the one who "asshole-ishly" asked if anyone cares about his post...... So why cant you take what you dish out?
1. I didn't say it to you. (But it's a common trend on this forum, republicans here defend eachother...all time. So what should I expect.)

2. Two wrongs make a right? Well, I guess according to Republicans, yes...haha

Originally posted by Decka
And if you dont care for his post... at least refute something, dont just say "and we care why?"..... THAT my friends, is being an asshole.
Why would I refute a rant? There was nothing to refute, because it was just a rant that was pointless and added nothing to this discussion. And yes, it was being an asshole, and you were an asshole back. What's your point?

Dose,

If you didn't care about my "rants" then why the hell did you respond to it in the first place?

Because I can. And I wanted to tell you no one cared, so you would HOPEFULLY not do it again.

Dose,

A better method of handling a post you don't care about is to not respond.

And about not posting again, don't hold your breath on that one.

Actually, DO hold your breath till you turn green or something, as it would make a great avatar.

lol

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Dose,
A better method of handling a post you don't care about is to not respond.
No. It's to tell the poster that they don't care about their post, and to hope they don't do it again for now they understand that most people don't care to read their rant. But, you I'm sure will rant again, just to spite me. Oh well, just shows the maturity of you.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
And about not posting again, don't hold your breath on that one.
I didn't say to not post again, I just would like you to not RANT again. There is a difference.

Originally posted by Overdose
1. I didn't say it to you. (But it's a common trend on this forum, republicans here defend eachother...all time. So what should I expect.)

And liberals never defend each other? LOL
Originally posted by Overdose

2. Two wrongs make a right? Well, I guess according to Republicans, yes...haha

First off, this has nothing to do with politics, and second off, if you base the republican party off my actions, than something is wrong lol.
Originally posted by Overdose

Why would I refute a rant? There was nothing to refute, because it was just a rant that was pointless and added nothing to this discussion. And yes, it was being an asshole, and you were an asshole back. What's your point?

Well, since you were an asshole, and i was an asshole, lets agree we're both assholes and go on our way.

Originally posted by Decka
And liberals never defend each other? LOL
Never said they didn't.

Originally posted by Decka
First off, this has nothing to do with politics, and second off, if you base the republican party off my actions, than something is wrong lol.
No. It does not have anything to do with politics. Your point?

And I don't base the republican party off of you. When did I say I did? This post was to DARTH, not you.

Originally posted by Decka
Well, since you were an asshole, and i was an asshole, lets agree we're both assholes and go on our way.
No. I'm going to tell Darth what I think, and you can go on your way and leave this alone if you think it's dumb. Chances are you will post back, even though I directed all of this towards Darth.

He's a big boy. I'm sure he can fight his on battles.

actually.....if you scroll up....your responses to my quotes.... just letting ya know

That shows what? I was first replying to Darth, until you decided to post for him.

i wasnt trying to speak for anyone, i was replying to your comments on my posts..... am i not allowed to do that?

Never said you couldn't. lol. Where did that come from? haha

Decka has my permission to speak for whenever he wishes it. As if he needed it.

lol!

Wow, so funny

Typical...

Originally posted by Overdose
Never said you couldn't. lol. Where did that come from? haha

um... it came from this annoying and fanatical little arguement you and I are having.....


I replied to one of your quotes....and you said your quote wasn't refering to me, yet the very quote that supposedly wasn't depicted to me was a response to one of my posts.

Then you said:"I was first replying to Darth, until you decided to post for him"... but the problem is i wasnt "posting" for Darth because the initial post that you claim to be refering to was toward my quote, not Darth's.

So i tried to convey that and inquire why i'm not allowed to reply to your post which was to me, although you errorously claim it was to darth. Even if your message WAS to darth, i still possess every right to initiate a reply and analyzation, simply because we are subscribing to a public message board. But the message WAS to me, so your imagined "you can only reply to a post when it's directed toward you" rule does not apply. Hense I replied to your post. Perhaps you may consider the possibility that you may have miscalculated and the post which is in question WAS to me and NOT to Darth, which you will see if you scroll up utilizing your mouse.



........


ANYONE ELSE COMPLETELY CONFUSED YET???????

Originally posted by Decka
um... it came from this annoying and fanatical little arguement you and I are having.....


I replied to one of your quotes....and you said your quote wasn't refering to me, yet the very quote that supposedly wasn't depicted to me was a response to one of my posts.

Then you said:"I was first replying to Darth, until you decided to post for him"... but the problem is i wasnt "posting" for Darth because the initial post that you claim to be refering to was toward my quote, not Darth's.
That makes no sense.

Originally posted by Decka
So i tried to convey that and inquire why i'm not allowed to reply to your post which was to me, although you errorously claim it was to darth. Even if your message WAS to darth, i still possess every right to initiate a reply and analyzation, simply because we are subscribing to a public message board. But the message WAS to me, so your imagined "you can only reply to a post when it's directed toward you" rule does not apply. Hense I replied to your post. Perhaps you may consider the possibility that you may have miscalculated and the post which is in question WAS to me and NOT to Darth, which you will see if you scroll up utilizing your mouse.

You can reply for him, but you should really, in my opinion, fight your own battles. You are really gettinng far too into this. I told him no one cared about his rant, and that he shouldn't post rants. Then you get all mad at me, because well, you don't really like me, so you decided to but in, and post a nasty reply towards me because you just, don't like me and so now you are blowing this thing into something so huge. I can tell darth no one wants to hear his rant and that it's pointless to post a rant on a forum for disscussion. Get the fuck over yourself. I can say that, and if he does not want to listen, fine. But don't get mad at me for telling him how I personally feel.

Ya know, i always wondered how on "Judge Judy"... two sides can tell COMPLETELY different stories on what happened.... now i know.

You were just minding your own business when mean ol Decka just ripped into you for no reason.....huh OD?

If "ranting" was something that got one kicked off this post, I think we'd all have been kicked off of here long time ago.


Just because YOU, overdose, find my posts annoying doesn't mean everyone else does. Though I'm sure guerilla would agree with you, dammit.