View Full Version : Bill Maher's take on religion and more
J_Lively
12-05-2002, 03:49 PM
Bill Maher remains 'Politically Incorrect'
(CNN) -- Comedian Bill Maher defined "Politically Incorrect" as the host of the aptly named late-night talk show on ABC.
His shoot-from-the-lip observations have won him many fans, but his comments about the September 11 attacks helped lead to his show's demise in May.
Maher stepped into the "Crossfire" with hosts Paul Begala and Tucker Carlson to discuss politics and his new book, "When You Ride Alone You Ride With bin Laden" (New Millennium).
http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/11/28/cf.opinion.bill.maher/index.html
DaveTooner
12-05-2002, 05:24 PM
I think it is hilarious how people like this pinhead will say "religion is dangerous," and then point to all the screwed up things religious people did (their actions not being condoned by their respective religion, mind you). By this logic we could say athiesm is dangerous, or any belief, be it religious or otherwise, because people of all walks of life have done awful things.
I will say one thing for the man, however -- he is fair in how he distributes the criticism. Many folks will make statements like "religion is dangerous" but when they get specific, they only criticize Christianity. These people are a bit skiddish when it comes to attacking Islam, Buddism, etc etc.
J_Lively
12-05-2002, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by DaveTooner
I think it is hilarious how people like this pinhead will say "religion is dangerous," and then point to all the screwed up things religious people did (their actions not being condoned by their respective religion, mind you). By this logic we could say athiesm is dangerous, or any belief, be it religious or otherwise, because people of all walks of life have done awful things.
I agree with you. When one starts labeling groups of people using generalizations, they are wrong, and are often proven wrong.
Originally posted by DaveTooner
I will say one thing for the man, however -- he is fair in how he distributes the criticism. Many folks (namely liberals) will make statements like "religion is dangerous" but when they get specific, they only criticize Christianity. These people are a bit skiddish when it comes to attacking Islam, Buddism, etc etc.
Now, Dave, you're generalizing. Maher is a self-proclaimed liberal, and by his views, he has proven your generalizations of liberals wrong.
DaveTooner
12-05-2002, 07:01 PM
Oh really? When in that post did I generalize liberals? All I said was that most of the time, the people I described are liberals. Nowhere did I say all liberals were like this.
J_Lively
12-05-2002, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by DaveTooner
Oh really? When in that post did I generalize liberals? All I said was that most of the time, the people I described are liberals. Nowhere did I say all liberals were like this.
You said, "Many folks (namely liberals) will make statements like "religion is dangerous" but when they get specific, they only criticize Christianity."
Perhaps, you didn't feel that was a generalization, but what if I said, "Many folks I talk to about civil rights (namely conservatives) are prejudiced and feel blacks are not as good as whites and, therefore, do not deserve the same rights." My example is just that, an example. I don't truly believe most (namely) conservatives feel this way or that, but my example shows a sweeping generalization in the same way your authentic statement did. You were saying that liberals attack Christianity, and you meant to point out liberals or you would have left it at "many folks."
If you don't want to think of your statement as a generalization, fine. Atleast, I'm sure you can admit it was certainly slanted towards making liberals the anti-Christian villians.
DaveTooner
12-06-2002, 09:12 AM
Well good grief, please allow me to reword it for you.
J_Lively
12-06-2002, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by DaveTooner
Well good grief, please allow me to reword it for you.
:D
It's okay. I think we all know you don't like liberals, so we have to take anti-liberal comments from you with a grain of salt.
Tentmaker
12-06-2002, 09:49 PM
CARLSON: So Islam itself, and I suppose you'd say Christianity and Judaism and environmentalism and all of the other religions, but Islam particularly is the problem. It's not just that the religion has been perverted by wackos. It's intrinsic to the religion. ...
MAHER: I think both things are true. I think it has been perverted by wackos. But yes, I think there is a lot going on in the religion and in the culture. I mean, let's face it. Religions are also cultures.
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Maher is right, even though he shows he knows nothing of religion. Throughout history it has been the whackos who have perverted real religion, and changed it into a grotesque absurdity befitting their failed gewnetic coding.
Tentmaker
The Dude
07-07-2011, 11:33 PM
MAHER: You know, first of all, I don't really think this big idea of a commission to look into 9/11 is the most necessary thing we have to do. I don't think it's a big mystery, like it's a mystery about the Kennedy assassination. It's not a mystery to me what happened with 9/11.
These guys are out there. We knew they were out there. It was a failure of will on our part to address the situation 10 years before.
There is no big mystery about it. But I do think it should be noted that the Bush administration did not have a meeting on terrorism until after 9/11. And in the previous administration, [they] had them every week.
Bill Maher knows EXACTLY WHAT HAPPEND ON 9/11 he is not a stupid idiot.. HE HAS TO PLAY DUMB THOUGH BECAUSE HE IS IN THE LIME LIGHT SO TO SPEAK...... (He probably didnt believe 1 word he spoke that day)
tucker58
07-08-2011, 12:03 PM
Humm? Certain factions of the Islamic community has declared a holy war against everybody that disagrees with their version of reality, including other Islamic folks. And they believe that if they die in a holy war that they will automatically go to "Paradise". And generally speaking they are very fanatical about it.
These certain factions of the Islamic community have declared war on most of the world because most of the world does not agree with their version of reality. And they are very fanatical about it. Technically it is not about religion, it is about a group of people using violence and fear to impose their version of reality on others.
Historically speaking there has been a lot of groups of people that have attempted to do the same thing. And what we are now calling "The Terrorists" is just the new batch.
tucker58
07-08-2011, 12:12 PM
Bill Maher is just feeding the fear and hatred that, for various reasons, some people feel toward other people and he is doing this to just make money for himself and interested others.
The Praetorian
07-08-2011, 04:16 PM
This thread is almost a DECADE old, guys.
The Dude
07-08-2011, 09:14 PM
Yes its amazing isnt it??
I think it is hilarious how people like this pinhead will say "religion is dangerous," and then point to all the screwed up things religious people did (their actions not being condoned by their respective religion, mind you). By this logic we could say athiesm is dangerous, or any belief, be it religious or otherwise, because people of all walks of life have done awful things.Alot of people think religion does MORE HARM THAN GOOD...... I believe Bill is athiest,im not sure though.....
BorgHunter
07-08-2011, 09:17 PM
This thread is almost a DECADE old, guys.
It's like playing Left 4 Dead, except instead of shooting zombies, you just get to read zombies blathering about the same bullshit that gets discussed here in 2011. I bet there will still be these ridiculous arguments on Allforums in 2020, too, assuming it still exists.
Freethinker
07-09-2011, 10:20 AM
I think it is hilarious how people like this pinhead will say "religion is dangerous," and then point to all the screwed up things religious people did (their actions not being condoned by their respective religion, mind you).
??!
I'm not seeing the irony you are trying to convey. Maher says 'religion is dangerous' and then points to all the screwed up things religious people do........things they do that are prompted by their religious belief.
Seems perfectly consistent to me.
Also, Maher is not a 'pinhead', but is very intelligent. The fact that he happens to hurt your feelings by criticizing religion does not make him a 'pinhead'.
By this logic we could say athiesm is dangerous, or any belief, be it religious or otherwise, because people of all walks of life have done awful things.
The huge difference in this is that non-religionists --unlike religious adherents-- who, singly or in groups, do awful things are not doing it because they believe some supernatural entity approves of it or is telling them to do it.
""Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do bad things, that takes religion""._____________________Steven Weinberg, Nobel laureate in Physics
I will say one thing for the man, however -- he is fair in how he distributes the criticism. Many folks will make statements like "religion is dangerous" but when they get specific, they only criticize Christianity. These people are a bit skiddish when it comes to attacking Islam, Buddism, etc etc.
Most people who are not 'pinheads' are aware that the word is *skittish*, not "skiddish".....
......"skiddish" is not a word.
sedan
07-09-2011, 10:26 AM
Most people who are not 'pinheads' are aware that the word is *skittish*, not "skiddish".....
......"skiddish" is not a word.I thought "skiddish" is what some people find in their underwear. :eek: