I was on my Football Forum that i go on when i came across this message, Now i know this Forum is not like this at all but it is the genrol feeling from most other forums i go to. It read as follows : -

Ive just been booted off a site ive been memeber of for 2 years. the membership is mainly American. Aparently my behaviour yesterday in chat room was inappropriate. only converstation i had last night was about hollywood History, I was asking if the rehtoric comming out of hollywood was true that Americans wouldnt see a film that didnt have Americans portrayed as th heros, thats why we see many historical films showing American soldiers winning the day when infact it was British or other nations, or even worse certain films about other theatres of war where americans never even trod.

I did get quite a bit of flack from most people in room for this, and im like WTF, dont you lot realize that there is a world other than USA?

Well if i dont get reinstated and an apology then quite frankly im going to join most over non Americans and think all americans are retards who are too stuck up thier own arses.

over past year i have also noticed how touchy and paranoid Americans have become, its ok for a huge room of Americans to argue all night long about politics and is bush evil or good, but as soon as a non US person makes a comment like , McDonald and Burger King are shit, then they think you are anti - American and you are declaring war on them.

certainly the flack ive encounteed suggests that more Americans are being sucked into the rehtoric of USA v rest of world . what you think?

So how do you lot feel about this sort of thing??

i'm amerikan and i see amerikans as pig headed, greedy, arrogant, and paranoid.
those who will not see that in themselves are the ones who don't read history in an openminded way, find the real history that isn't taught in a false way. analyze our society for what it really is.

why are you spelling american with a K, is this some kind of protest i dont know about?

Americans are many things. One thing that is common to most Americans is patriotism. Unfortunately some Americans believe patriotism is believing America is the biggest, baddest, most powerfull and most deserving nation on earth.

Understand that at this point in history America is very devided. Half of us believe that America is on the wrong path and not dealing fairly with the rest of the world. The other half believes that America is on the right path and it doesn't matter how we deal with the rest of the world.

We are like siblings. Fighting amoungst ourselfs, but if someone from the outside attacks one of us we all band together to fight them off.

Originally posted by ivan
i'm amerikan and i see amerikans as pig headed, greedy, arrogant, and paranoid.


aww come on ivan, you know that stereotyping americans is just as bad as stereotyping mexicans, koreans or jews. and do you realize that you just called yourself pig headed, greedy, arrogant and paranoid, since you, too are an "amerikan?"

however, i do think that English Pride has a point. there are a good amount of americans who are a bit touchy about foreigners nowadays. there seems to be a general atmosphere of zenophobia and tension, probably due to the war and our terrible image in the eyes of the rest of the world. i guess there are some people who take criticism of any aspect of their country extremely personally, and somehow end up trying to represent thier whole nation when talking to a foreigner.

however i agree with echo when she says that america is extremely divided. a good chunk of the country would probably agree with you when you say that burger king and mcdonalds are shit and american war movies are biased towards americans. the other chunk would probably punch you in the nose. however, no american's opinion is no more "truly american" than any other american's opinion.

and also, can i have the address of that forum you were kicked off of so i can see for myself what those people said? and maybe yell at them a bit if they're really as stupid as they sound? ; )

Originally posted by sputnik
aww come on ivan, you know that stereotyping americans is just as bad as stereotyping mexicans, koreans or jews. and do you realize that you just called yourself pig headed, greedy, arrogant and paranoid, since you, too are an "amerikan?"

however, i do think that English Pride has a point. there are a good amount of americans who are a bit touchy about foreigners nowadays. there seems to be a general atmosphere of zenophobia and tension, probably due to the war and our terrible image in the eyes of the rest of the world. i guess there are some people who take criticism of any aspect of their country extremely personally, and somehow end up trying to represent thier whole nation when talking to a foreigner.

however i agree with echo when she says that america is extremely divided. a good chunk of the country would probably agree with you when you say that burger king and mcdonalds are shit and american war movies are biased towards americans. the other chunk would probably punch you in the nose. however, no american's opinion is no more "truly american" than any other american's opinion.

and also, can i have the address of that forum you were kicked off of so i can see for myself what those people said? and maybe yell at them a bit if they're really as stupid as they sound? ; )

Well the person who told be this story was on, Big-football-forum.co.uk but that aint the american site where they banned him!!!

Dunno what that is!!

Originally posted by sputnik
aww come on ivan, you know that stereotyping americans is just as bad as stereotyping mexicans, koreans or jews. and do you realize that you just called yourself pig headed, greedy, arrogant and paranoid, since you, too are an "amerikan?"




i find myself to be a very bad amerikan. i hate amerikas paranoia, greediness, ect.. i believe we should eat the rich.
i find nothing wrong with foreigners. shit everybody's a pilgrim. the only people who have full right are the first ones. i find it extremely hypocritical when so many people are screaming about immigrants, as long as they are not white. they don't get too bent out of shape when they are white.
i find it odd that bush won with only 52%? of the vote. amerika is very polarized. and that bush's first election was so questionable. if this was the ukraine.........?
screw amerika. when amerika gets itself nuked it'll deserve it. but i believe the more rational parts of the world should start looking at amerika like a spoiled little child having a temper tantrum. trying to spank it's ass won't work ,or help, just stay away from it and don't give it anymore toys.

Originally posted by ivan
i'm amerikan and i see amerikans as pig headed, greedy, arrogant, and paranoid.
those who will not see that in themselves are the ones who don't read history in an openminded way, find the real history that isn't taught in a false way. analyze our society for what it really is.

sometimes the american liberals can only cope with being an american by feeling as guilty as possible, and if you do no feel guilty for living here and reaping the rewards of living here you must be pig headed, greedy and arrogant

Originally posted by ivan

amerika. .

Why are you spelling America like that???? what is with this Special K?

Originally posted by Travh20
sometimes the american liberals can only cope with being an american by feeling as guilty as possible, and if you do no feel guilty for living here and reaping the rewards of living here you must be pig headed, greedy and arrogant

So what are these rewards you speak of????

America from what i know, Which i'll admit is limited, Is a shit place to live on the most part.

Canada on the other hand is somwhere i would like to live!!!

If America is such a shit place to live why does everyone flock here? It is a great place to live. There are some shit parts of America to live of course, but overall its great. you are free to stay in england you know.

Originally posted by English_Pride

Canada on the other hand is somwhere i would like to live!!!

HELLZ YES

America from what i know, Which i'll admit is limited, Is a shit place to live on the most part.

those would be red states you're thinking of.

or anywhere with a wal-mart.

the ignorance of the "enlightened" is amazing.

Originally posted by Echo2
but if someone from the outside attacks one of us we all band together to fight them off.

except for when you're John Kerry, and you join with the people who are against you...

sorry, had to throw that one in there LOL

English pride,

Well gee, let's see, you question if americans are pigheaded then you go and spout off about America being a "shit place to live" and then you wonder why you get kicked off discussion boards. I really hope you aren't sitting their wondering why you got kicked off the discusion board.


As for you Ivan, if you don't like "amerika" you can always leave. Hell, I'll buy the plane ticket.


It's also funny how in just about any discussion, George Bush seems to crop up sometime, somewhere. One of these days, I'm going to post about a possum getting ran over by a car and see how long it'll take before echo or freethinker starts blaming George Bush and Haliburton for the possum's death. Geez, guys, give it a rest.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
It's also funny how in just about any discussion, George Bush seems to crop up sometime, somewhere. One of these days, I'm going to post about a possum getting ran over by a car and see how long it'll take before echo or freethinker starts blaming George Bush and Haliburton for the possum's death. Geez, guys, give it a rest.
The possum was an innocent life that was taken away, just like when George Bush murders innocent children so that Halliburton can reap in more profits and the American corporate machine can continue its reign of terror!

Yes jester, we should have done what France did in regards to Iraq. Get a sweet oil deal in exchange for weapons and money and let Saddam do the murdering of innocent people. Would that have made you feel better?

Sorry, but unlike you, I don't like the idea of buying comfort at the expense of others. The Iraqis and the Aghanis now have the option of choosing their own furture, and it will be worth the cost to those "innocent children" and their children, and their chidlren's children, dammit.

As for you Ivan, if you don't like "amerika" you can always leave. Hell, I'll buy the plane ticket How about me will you buy me a plane ticket?

Loki - K as in amerikkkan. Theres a bunch of spoiled bigot fucks that live here. Minor example, most of them think Jesus was white.

Our textbooks make Amerikkka look like a saint. I was never even taught about Jap internment camps in high school.

Now again this is stereotyping. There are planty of people here who are very smart, accepting and quite nice.

And its not that the bigots are all complete assholes to. Its only when you disagree with them that the violent idiocy is let loose.

Amerikkkans, or at least the loudest ones these days, are fightened little children. They would rather have others think for them. They think they are entitled to whatever they want. They think murdering people solves problems. And most of the are either too fucking stupid or too unwilling to think to protect themselves. A lot of them think the news, politicians and business are truthful.

egotistical self deluded spoiled brats. You know the asshole son of the rich guy that lives up the street, thats the dominant voice in Amerikkka.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Yes jester, we should have done what France did in regards to Iraq. Get a sweet oil deal in exchange for weapons and money and let Saddam do the murdering of innocent people. Would that have made you feel better?

Sorry, but unlike you, I don't like the idea of buying comfort at the expense of others. The Iraqis and the Aghanis now have the option of choosing their own furture, and it will be worth the cost to those "innocent children" and their children, and their chidlren's children, dammit.
Um, I was being sarcastic. I was making fun of the people who link everything to George Bush.

Shoot jester,

Dammit, I apologize. I completely missed the sarcasm bit. My bad.

I really don't know what schoolbooks other's have read, but mine did talk about the Japenese internment camps, slaves, the taking of land from the indians, the worker's strikes in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.

The stuff I didn't learn, and others haven't learned it, was that slavery was universal and it was the white Europeans who put a stop to it. There were Germans and Italians who were placed in internment camps in the Second World War, and the Japenese made a sport of beheading innocent chinese civilians in Nangking when they invaded china. So much for America being evil.


Far from being frightened little children, America is confident of her role in the world. The freedoms we take for granted here, should be available to all. Which is why we are spreading freedom to Aghanistan and Iraq.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
The freedoms we take for granted here, should be available to all. Which is why we are spreading freedom to Aghanistan and Iraq.

The freedoms granted in our two countries should be available for all, if they choose to have them. We should not go around forcing our gov't sytle on others, just because we feel we have an obligation to do so because we feel the ppl should be free. Also, just because the style we got works here doesn't mean it will work there. By implimenting our style of gov't, we may actually cause more harm. If they request freedom, give it to them, if they don't then don't meddle in their affairs. If genocide is occuring, then let the UN or peace-keeping forces enter the country and put a stop to it. Again, we have no right to force our style of gov't onto other ppl. It would be the same as 1600's christians forcing their beliefs onto the natives, because they thought the natives would be better off with christianity. I'm not trying to provoke anyone into a fight or to call me names, let's just keep it polite.

if they choose to have them? are you saying that the people who lived under saddam or in N Korea choose to live under oppresive murderous regimes? many have chosen to be free and have been killed for that choice. Just because some Iraqis aer wiling to blow up their countrymen to get us out of there doesnt mean that all iraqs choose totalitarian rule. i

I think liberals dont quite understand what despotism is. people living under dictators cant just one day decide to live in a democracy. its a common theme among the left. " they dont want democracy or they would have already had it", it really shows a sever lacking in the understanding of reality. I think these leftists are so certain that living free lives is just the way it is and always be that they think everybody cand just do whatever they want. the iraqis could not "choose" to do anyhting und Hussein, understand? now they can. yet you decide to continue to side with the saddam loyalists and al qeada in your belief that all iraqis do not want to be free.

Originally posted by CX returns
The freedoms granted in our two countries should be available for all, if they choose to have them.
My parents lived 40 years in a dictatorship. Do you think they chose it? I find your comment it insulting and cinic.

My parents were regular middle class people who didn't want to have another civil war in Spain and anyhow even with another war, the only parties willing to fight were the extremists. Looking at my country experience, the ones to fight for a change of regime are not the democratic parties (who prefer the dialog and negotation), but the ones wanting to get all the power on their hands regardless the people. And that's not the base for a democracy, that's the base for a dictatorship and it doesn't matter if it is a conservative or a comunist or a religious dictator, they are all the same.
In Spain, during the civil war, the few wanting a democracy were crashed by both parties (fascists and republicans) so in fact at that time we were condened to have a dictator.
And after the wars, it was not a favour for the Spanish people that nobody did anything effective against Franco, your answer I guess is that the Spanish people should have got rid of him but how with no international help? with another war? no thanks we already had our share of that.

For me it is just a matter of whether the human rights are universal (regardless culture, race, religion, country, political ideas...) or just for a few "advance" cultures in the developed countries.
I believe human rights are universal and as long as they are dictators (of any ideology) we should be ashamed of ourselves for letting those people down. Nobody (except the few being or profiting from having the power) chooses to be in a dictatorship, it is always imposed.

I think I'll join Trav in buying Ivan's plane ticket. If you are so unhappy here, then, why don't you leave? Seriously? No sarcasm... I'm just wondering. I certainly wouldn't stay in a place that made me so bitter ALL of the time. It's just not healthy. FOR ANYONE.

At least Guerilla gives America and Americans some credit. And his comment about the "asshole son of the rich guy up the street" being the voice of America seems to ring true in certain areas.

Actually Cricket,

It was me that suggested that Ivan get out of the country. I've had the same reasons you have. If you don't like our country, then no one is making you stay, get out.


Oh, and I"m the asshole son of the rich buy guerilla refers to. Though, to be honest, I'm neither.

guess what everybody? amerika has for a long time, been setting up, and propping up dictators worldwide.
amerika is NOT a democracy. it is a democratic republic. which means, majority rules. a true democracy is built on consensus. agreement. when a system is built on majority rules people can easily be misled with paranoia, greed, and just shear stupidity.

Sorry Darth, I'll give credit where credit is due. You and I can split the cost of the plane ticket. And, I really had no idea that you were the son of the rich asshole that Guerilla was referring to... :)But, his consensus is pretty accurate in this part of the Country. At least Southern Tier New York.

propping up dictators worldwide I thnk this is one of the main points against the "spread of democracy" BS. Bush loves pro-US dictators. The US will always do whatever is in the 'elites' best interests whether or not its in the best interests of the people here or in other countries.

Originally posted by ivan
guess what everybody? amerika has for a long time, been setting up, and propping up dictators worldwide.
amerika is NOT a democracy. it is a democratic republic. which means, majority rules. a true democracy is built on consensus. agreement. when a system is built on majority rules people can easily be misled with paranoia, greed, and just shear stupidity.
Do you have a better model of government? I'd love to hear it.

Guerilla,

Lesson in realpolitik. The U.S. has no permanent friends or enemies. It only has interests, and the U.S. acts in such a way to protect its interests.

What does this mean? It means that from time to time, America will ally itself with a dictator or thug or some sort of low character if it has to in order to defeat a greater evil. The best example is the U.S. allying itself with the Soviet Union during the Second World to defeat someone who was a worse threat. In this case, the Nazis. We have done this all through the latter half of the Twentieth century. The U.S. allied itself with the Fundamentalist Islamists in Afghanistan in the 80s to ward off a greater threat, which was the spread of Communism. Then we overthrew the Taliban. The U.S. allied itself with a brutal, but secular Saddam in order to fight a greater evil, which was a Fundamentalist Iran. Then we overthrew Saddam. Ditto with the Marcos regime in the Philipines.

The interests and policies being enforced right now by President Bush dictate the spread of democracies in as many places as possible on the theory that Democracies do not fight one another. Hence our actions in Aghanistan and Iraq, and in the Ukraine for that matter. Being a bit of an idealist, I happen to agree with Bush's policies and would love to see everyone in the entire world having the same rights, freedoms, dignities and protections that we take for granted here in the U.S.


So, to answer your question, yes, the U.S. did and still does support pro-U.S. dictators, but the reasons for doing so are often complicated.

Originally posted by Jester
Do you have a better model of government? I'd love to hear it.

Jester, I wonder the same.

I just want to see how Ivan can explain how to reach a consensus among 300 million US citizens...:rolleyes:

!!

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Guerilla
What does this mean? It means that from time to time, America will ally itself with a dictator or thug or some sort of low character if it has to in order to defeat a greater evil. The best example is the U.S. allying itself with the Soviet Union during the Second World to defeat someone who was a worse threat. In this case, the Nazis. We have done this all through the latter half of the Twentieth century. The U.S. allied itself with the Fundamentalist Islamists in Afghanistan in the 80s to ward off a greater threat, which was the spread of Communism. Then we overthrew the Taliban. The U.S. allied itself with a brutal, but secular Saddam in order to fight a greater evil, which was a Fundamentalist Iran. Then we overthrew Saddam. Ditto with the Marcos regime in the Philipines.



What you are saying in mostly true but please could you explain to me why America also gave Iran weapons and surport, What exactly was the reasoning for this?? I'm confused as to what interest they could of been protecting with these actions!!!!!!

All America did by doing this was turn a big war into a massive one and increased the amount killed by thousands. Causing more damage to people's lives, But ohhh no no no, America can do no wrong in your eyes!!!! Apprently this is America just protecting there intersts and ummmmmm oh yeah freeedom or somthing??

What a fucking Joke!!

Originally posted by English_Pride
What a fucking Joke!!
Correction: you're a fucking joke.

On the whole, you're an irredeemably blighted half-wit and a primitive, orgasm-faking curse on modern society. You can attempt to smash my country under whichever moniker you choose, Hooligan, but one thing remains - You're a dreadfully vulgar ne'er-do-well and a plotless melodrama of uneventful life.

Oh, and Ivan, if thinking were your forte', then I'd gladly send you a workbook designed to improve your remedial grammar, but seeing as to how you're nothing short of an armpit-licking failure who mops floors for a living, I think I'll save the $1.50 and take your criticisms of my country in stride.

Btw, Ivan - one question: Just when exactly did you decide to hate "Amerika" - was it before or after you swam here from Cuba?

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
English pride,

It's also funny how in just about any discussion, George Bush seems to crop up sometime, somewhere. One of these days, I'm going to post about a possum getting ran over by a car and see how long it'll take before echo or freethinker starts blaming George Bush and Haliburton for the possum's death. Geez, guys, give it a rest.

FYI - I wrote about american ideals being divided in general, then trav wrote about "librulls" then Decka brought up Kerry and then Jester brought up bush. Freethinker hasn't even posted.

Maybe you should quit steriotyping and start reading what is posted.

Originally posted by Teddy
Jester, I wonder the same.

I just want to see how Ivan can explain how to reach a consensus among 300 million US citizens...:rolleyes:

get back to what the constitution and bill of rights said. the original planners had those things put in writing for a reason.

Echo,

And you and freethinker are NOT in the habbit of blaming Bush for every evil under the sun?

So, to answer your question, yes, the U.S. did and still does support pro-U.S. dictators, but the reasons for doing so are often complicated. As hilariously as you tried to hide it at least you answered honestly.

It just nice to here you admit that the United states does not stand for democracy, freedom or liberty but whatever 'she' wants, whenever 'she' wants. America has no values except greed.

Guerilla,

I found your most recent rebuttall in the dairy department at my local supermarket. It was that cheesy, dammit.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Correction: you're a fucking joke.

On the whole, you're an irredeemably blighted half-wit and a primitive, orgasm-faking curse on modern society. You can attempt to smash my country under whichever moniker you choose, Hooligan, but one thing remains - You're a dreadfully vulgar ne'er-do-well and a plotless melodrama of uneventful life.

Oh, and Ivan, if thinking were your forte', then I'd gladly send you a workbook designed to improve your remedial grammar, but seeing as to how you're nothing short of an armpit-licking failure who mops floors for a living, I think I'll save the $1.50 and take your criticisms of my country in stride.

Btw, Ivan - one question: Just when exactly did you decide to hate "Amerika" - was it before or after you swam here from Cuba?


I notice how you managed to post all that crap but not one defense of your country's actions and not one reply to any of the points I made????

Well done,

I think you need to look at yourself and your life before you go round judging people on there's, But I suppose you did use a lot of long words and sentences in the hope that I and everyone else would think, Ohhh vile you are one smart Mother Fucker. Well the second bit is right but you aint smart your just a small meaningless prick who spends the vast majority of his time going on chat rooms and forums because of the lack of real life you have.

So, Like I said please can you explain to me the reasoning behind the weapons and help given to Iraq and Iran, What purpose was there for this???

You were quoting me, not Vile, you dumb bastard. I mean, really - does it come as any surprise when I don't respond to your meaningless potshots seeing as to how you've made it abundantly clear that you're nothing more than an ineffably bantering, clueless plebeian?

What you are saying in mostly true but please could you explain to me why America also gave Iran weapons and surport, What exactly was the reasoning for this?? I'm confused as to what interest they could of been protecting with these actions!!!!!!
Once again, this breaks into the "lesser of two evils" argument, and the Iranian Shah was a better form of government than the radicals that were pursuing complete control. They were extremist, totally dictatorial Muslims who wouldn't tow the line and wouldn't be sympathetic to our needs and whims - therefore; we backed the side we thought was a better bet. Simply put, it's the way our two respective governments have always done business, and always will.

Oh, and btw, congratulations - you "won" the argument.

You were quoting me, not Vile, you dumb bastard. I mean, really - does it come as any surprise when I don't respond to your meaningless potshots seeing as to how you've made it abundantly clear that you're nothing more than an ineffably bantering, clueless plebeian? Ok, dammit, Prae, I want a copy of your handy insult book!

Originally posted by saycricket
Ok, dammit, Prae, I want a copy of your handy insult book!
Baby...I'm not free, and I'm not for sale, but if you play your cards right, I just might make an exception and send you one free of charge. ::grows horns::

Just kidding, but on a more serious note - I have an exclusive patent here at Allforums on being the chat room dickhead, and I couldn't possibly share that special talent without fading into obscurity myself. I'm sorry, but I just can't send you my book - I'm sure you understand... :)

Yeah yeah yeah.... of course I understand. But when I'm trying to be, uh, working... I find myself in sudden peals of laughter. Our secretary yells into my office from the outer room -- "Hey, you on allforums again?" And then I have to read back what you've posted. Certainly breaks up the monotony around here. :) The one that takes the cake, though, was the "fecal matter - brass band" quip to Echo.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
You were quoting me, not Vile, you dumb bastard. I mean, really - does it come as any surprise when I don't respond to your meaningless potshots seeing as to how you've made it abundantly clear that you're nothing more than an ineffably bantering, clueless plebeian?


Once again, this breaks into the "lesser of two evils" argument, and the Iranian Shah was a better form of government than the radicals that were pursuing complete control. They were extremist, totally dictatorial Muslims who wouldn't tow the line and wouldn't be sympathetic to our needs and whims - therefore; we backed the side we thought was a better bet. Simply put, it's the way our two respective governments have always done business, and always will.

Oh, and btw, congratulations - you "won" the argument.

Again you seem to be missing the point????

You arse fucking cock knibbleing tosspot!!!

The USA sold weapons to IRAQ and IRAN thus not helping either side but really just making the war bigger, more powerful and causing more innocent people to die.

SO for the last time captain America!!!! Why in your opinion did America do this????

MY god you really are a prick, you almost make it worth my while coming over to america to give u a slap!!

Originally posted by English_Pride
The USA sold weapons to IRAQ and IRAN thus not helping either side but really just making the war bigger, more powerful and causing more innocent people to die.
Yeah, and we sold them those weapons at different times, so if you're referring to making the current conflict more difficult to manage, then you have a really skewed perspective of historical fact. Iraq, as it was once known, now ceases to exist, and the mainstay in Iran uses Russian artillery. Sitting here arguing specific facts with a dilettante of your nature is the furthest thing in my mind from being productive. To put it simply, you, sir, are an idiot, and not worth my time.

Originally posted by English_Pride
MY god you really are a prick, you almost make it worth my while coming over to america to give u a slap!!
Bring it on. I distinctly remember you haughty little bitches coming over here to "teach us a lesson" before. We sent you home then, and we can do it again. And if you so desire, then I'd be more than happy to feed you the colostomy bag I'm pretty sure you'll be wearing after our encounter.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Bring it on. I distinctly remember you haughty little bitches coming over here to "teach us a lesson" before. We sent you home then, and we can do it again. And if you so desire, then I'd be more than happy to feed you the colostomy bag I'm pretty sure you'll be wearing after our encounter.

*sighs*

I really try and steer away from this, but your "haughty little bitches" comment is aimed squarly at the UK and by that means, at Me.

Im going to hold fire on my comments and read into the American Revolution and see why it was the British were defeated. If it is indeed through force of might by America and no outside help was recruited to aid in such, then fair enough in that one instance you did do as you said.

As for you personally being able to beat Steve down, i honestly doubt that would happen and without getting graphic the sorts of things that would happen to you wouldnt be pretty. Think Football Hooligan Thug Brutality, Football gangs etc.

Like i said ill get back to you about the War, and i dont take kindly to being called a Haughty little Bitch.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Yeah, and we sold them those weapons at different times, so if you're referring to making the current conflict more difficult to manage, then you have a really skewed perspective of historical fact. Iraq, as it was once known, now ceases to exist, and the mainstay in Iran uses Russian artillery. Sitting here arguing specific facts with a dilettante of your nature is the furthest thing in my mind from being productive. To put it simply, you, sir, are an idiot, and not worth my time.


Bring it on. I distinctly remember you haughty little bitches coming over here to "teach us a lesson" before. We sent you home then, and we can do it again. And if you so desire, then I'd be more than happy to feed you the colostomy bag I'm pretty sure you'll be wearing after our encounter.

Firstly, It was not sold at different times at all it was during there war and America kept it secret from Iraq that they had sold weapons to Iran. In fact they tried to keep it secret from the whole world. Why would they be so secretive about something if it was not out of order.

Secondly, Ohhhhhhhhhhhh I wish I wish I wish I could meet you face to face you sad little prick. Do you honestly expect me to believe that someone who spends as much time as you on the internet, and someone who speaks and insults people in the way you do could do me any harm what so ever. The fact you used the phrase 'Bring it on' Say everything I need to know about u. Your nothing but a sad little prick who can mouth off but face to face you would run like a pussy or shit yourself, Or in your case both at the same time!!!! Your a faggot and Face to Face, Man on Man I would take your Fucking Head off, But I'm sure your reply with some witty remark asking if I like hospital food or something, Cos your just that damn funny!!!!!!

And Finally, we came over once before and you did what??????? Correct me if i am wrong but I seem to believe us ruling your country and making you what you are today, Then you tried to get rid of us and couldn't so you asked for help from France and the pair of you only just beat us so get your facts right you fuckin Yank Twat!!!! Then again if I want to get you that bad I could always steal a plane!!!

Originally posted by English_Pride
You arse fucking cock knibbleing tosspot!!!

I have no idea what the hell a tosspot is, but English insults always sound funnier than American ones. :D

Right the way i see this is in accordance with -

February 6, 1778 - American and French representatives sign two treaties in Paris: a Treaty of Amity and Commerce and a Treaty of Alliance. France now officially recognizes the United States and will soon become the major supplier of military supplies to Washington's army. Both countries pledge to fight until American independence is won, with neither country concluding any truce with Britain without the other's consent, and guarantee each other's possessions in America against all other powers.

The American struggle for independence is thus enlarged and will soon become a world war. After British vessels fire on French ships, the two nations declare war. Spain will enter in 1779 as an ally of France. The following year, Britain will declare war on the Dutch who have been engaging in profitable trade with the French and Americans. In addition to the war in America, the British will have to fight in the Mediterranean, Africa, India, the West Indies, and on the high seas. All the while facing possible invasion of England itself by the French.

We pretty much took on the world, had to keep a watch out for invasion by the french AND had to keep fighting the war in America. Now not being funny but were a tiny little island so to be fair that was a pretty hardcore mission and if nothing else had been happening and it was simply a case of America fighting England with no interested from any other country we would have won that hands down.

This has been interesting though and allowed me to learn alot more about a subject i had only breifly touched upon. Point of note, The Battle of Saratoga. You had 20,000 troops total, we had about 8000. We lost 1000 men, you lost a little under 500. So in reality they say that was a great victory it was pretty even and since it was over 2 men to 1 in your favour i dont think we did too badly.

May 12, 1780 - The worst American defeat of the Revolutionary War occurs as the British capture Charleston and its 5400-man garrison (the entire southern American Army) along with four ships and a military arsenal. British losses are only 225.

Very interesting stuff! and makes me wonder if your history classes are actually better than ours. Imagine sitting there listening to Victorian Plagues etc, it gets boring quickly.

Originally posted by English_Pride
Then again if I want to get you that bad I could always steal a plane!!!
First of all, it's an adverb - BADLY. Secondly, I doubt very seriously you're smart enough to fly a plane into anything other than the Atlantic.

On second thought, give it a go, shithead - I'm all for you drowning.

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
As for you personally being able to beat Steve down, i honestly doubt that would happen and without getting graphic the sorts of things that would happen to you wouldnt be pretty. Think Football Hooligan Thug Brutality, Football gangs etc.
Of course...he's what we call a jock in America. I, personally, love jocks, for they're the ones who always ensure that I get my groceries bagged properly, and my pizza delivered piping hot. I used to be part of a knuckle dragging soccer click that went around "brutalizing" people, but then I realized that I didn't want a job mixing concrete for a living, so I decided to change my ways. Good luck with that endeavor, Steve. Here's some free advice: learn to read, write, and spell, and maybe someday, somebody will take you seriously.

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
Like i said ill get back to you about the War, and i dont take kindly to being called a Haughty little Bitch.
Look, Loki, your friend is a preposterously insignificant peon and a pedantic sub-literate simpleton. In short, it would probably behoove you to break ties with someone who most likely services johns on the side to supplement his paltry income.

As for the haughty bitch comment, it was simply meant to piss him off, not you. I think you already know how I feel about England, and short of that, I have very little to say regarding the matter.

For Christ's sake, you've honestly read the title of this thread and wondered why people have a problem with your monosyllabically speaking buddy? Wtf?

Sorry I "bashed" England, but that tosser can go fuck himself.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Of course...he's what we call a jock in America. I, personally, love jocks, for they're the ones who always ensure that I get my groceries bagged properly, and my pizza delivered piping hot. I used to be part of a knuckle dragging soccer click that went around "brutalizing" people, but then I realized that I didn't want a job mixing concrete for a living, so I decided to change my ways. Good luck with that endeavor, Steve. Here's some free advice: learn to read, write, and spell, and maybe someday, somebody will take you seriously.

Well i think the main point i will make is that i have never and will never mix concrete or deliver pizza's. I work for Hewlitt Packard, Which loki will vouch for and i have an ok job. Not the best but at 20 its holds me over. Problem with you prae is that you judge people and think that you are above but in reality your nothing. I seriously doubt you ever 'ran with a soocer click and brutalised people' hahaha TWAT.

I wouldn't piss on you or your country if it was on fire. Your nothing but a judgmental, Snobby, Yank CUNT who has to walk round with a white stick cos your head is too far up your own arse to be able to see where you are going.

You think your clever and you think your smart but you need to realise that there is more to life than allforums, Go out of your house, No lets start smaller, go out of your room and see the world you sad sad little prick.

Originally posted by English_Pride
I work for Hewlitt Packard, Which loki will vouch for and i have an ok job. Not the best but at 20 its holds me over. Problem with you prae is that you judge people and think that you are above but in reality your nothing. I seriously doubt you ever 'ran with a soocer click and brutalised people' hahaha TWAT.
Work for Hewlett Packard, ay? Then do your AMERICAN company a favor, and just quit, for I'm sure they'd appreciate employing an errand boy who can perform the simple task of spelling the company name correctly.
Originally posted by English_Pride
I wouldn't piss on you or your country if it was on fire.
Who's asking you to?
Originally posted by English_Pride
You think your clever and you think your smart but you need to realise that there is more to life than allforums, Go out of your house, No lets start smaller, go out of your room and see the world you sad sad little prick.
Boy this little jab might've packed some punch if it were true...too bad its accuracy is on par with your command of the English language.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Work for Hewlett Packard, ay? Then do your AMERICAN company a favor, and just quit, for I'm sure they'd appreciate employing an errand boy who can perform the simple task of spelling the company name correctly.

Who's asking you to?

Boy this little jab might've packed some punch if it were true...too bad its accuracy is on par with your command of the English language.

See again prae, Rather than back up any of the arguments/points I put forward you have just decided to try and attack me, Which worked for a while as I got side tracked but.... as this is a forum where we debate, Would you care to read my friends Loki's Post and explain your comment, We kicked your arse when you came over before or what ever it was you said.

Also, Why did America sell weapons to different sides of a war and not tell the other??

Well prae!!! you smart cunt, Back your self up?

Originally posted by English_Pride
See again prae, Rather than back up any of the arguments/points I put forward you have just decided to try and attack me, Which worked for a while as I got side tracked but.... as this is a forum where we debate, Would you care to read my friends Loki's Post and explain your comment, We kicked your arse when you came over before or what ever it was you said.

Also, Why did America sell weapons to different sides of a war and not tell the other??
Look, the burden of proof lies of you, sir. You say we sold them both weapons, and I agree - but you claim we sold them at the same time, and I don't buy it. If you're so fucking sure of yourself, then provide an unbiased, non-partisan link showing that the US government did, in fact, sell weapons to both governments simultaneously. Good luck.

I believe that you'll find your assertion is preposterous when you do a little research and are given a little time to think about just how weak and unfounded your question actually is.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Look, the burden of proof lies of you, sir. You say we sold them both weapons, and I agree - but you claim we sold them at the same time, and I don't buy it. If you're so fucking sure of yourself, then provide an unbiased, non-partisan link showing that the US government did, in fact, sell weapons to both governments simultaneously. Good luck.

I believe that you'll find your assertion is preposterous when you do a little research and are given a little time to think about just how weak and unfounded your question actually is.

While i reserch this care to shed a little light on Loki's Post??

Originally posted by English_Pride
While i reserch this care to shed a little light on Loki's Post??
There's nothing to shed light on. Loki's post was accurate, and 228 + years ago we were a newly founded, whored out colony - just like one of many Britain graciously fucked out of their independence and freedom by enslaving from the get go. In truth, your knob-gobbling, elitist government had no problem taxing the shit out of us without providing any representation, whatsoever. In other words, you thought we'd accept the status quo without manipulating every advantage we could to defeat you: enter the French and Spanish. In short, we were out gunned, out numbered, under trained, and under funded. With the selective help of other forces, we kicked your asses, and if you ask yourself why - it was because you guys treated us like shit. Many colonists wanted to stay loyal to you, but when you collectively gave us the finger, you paid for it.

History class is over.

Thats right dammit.

We'd rather be whored out by our own elitist government!!!

:) Now you're getting it, 500...

Originally posted by The Praetorian
There's nothing to shed light on. Loki's post was accurate, and 228 + years ago we were a newly founded, whored out colony - just like one of many Britain graciously fucked out of their independence and freedom by enslaving from the get go. In truth, your knob-gobbling, elitist government had no problem taxing the shit out of us without providing any representation, whatsoever. In other words, you thought we'd accept the status quo without manipulating every advantage we could to defeat you: enter the French and Spanish. In short, we were out gunned, out numbered, under trained, and under funded. With the selective help of other forces, we kicked your asses, and if you ask yourself why - it was because you guys treated us like shit. Many colonists wanted to stay loyal to you, but when you collectively gave us the finger, you paid for it.

History class is over.

Well yes so explain what you meant by

Bring it on. I distinctly remember you haughty little bitches coming over here to "teach us a lesson" before. We sent you home then, and we can do it again. And if you so desire, then I'd be more than happy to feed you the colostomy bag I'm pretty sure you'll be wearing after our encounter.

Becuase here you are implying that your 'Great' Nation kicked our arse when no in fact You just about managed to get us to leave with the help of pretty much the rest of the civilized world!!! So I think you can except that your quote was more ball hang coming from somone that i really am starting to realise isn't worth worrying or talking to!!!

Sorry, Ill Explain the English Slang

Ball Hang = Bollox, Wrong, False etc.....

Originally posted by English_Pride
So I think you can except that your quote wall more ball hang

WTF? lol

Originally posted by English_Pride
Becuase here you are implying that your 'Great' Nation kicked our arse when no in fact You just about managed to get us to leave with the help of pretty much the rest of the civilized world!!!
Look, asswipe - your fantastically advanced nation got it's ass kicked, however you want to qualify it - and then in the aftermath, we came back to spare you the indignity of having to speak fucking German. Stop insulting my country with your words, and insulting our intellect with your posts.

Originally posted by English_Pride
So I think you can except that your quote wall more ball hang coming from somone that i really am starting to realise isn't worth worrying or talking to!!!
????

Wtf are you talking about, you knuckleheaded, panty sniffer?

Is this going to end?

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Look, asswipe - your fantastically advanced nation got it's ass kicked, however you want to qualify it - and then in the aftermath, we came back to spare you the indignity of having to speak fucking German. Stop insulting my country with your words, and insulting our intellect with your posts.


????

Wtf are you talking about, you knuckleheaded, panty sniffer?


Pany Sniffer, Good one, You Fucking 6 year old.

Well here you go

http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Iran-Contra_Affair

And

http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Iran-Iraq_War

Pretty much tells the whole story!!! Very Shady doings by America!!

I thought this was nice,

The United States engaged in a series of naval battles with Iranian forces in 1987 and 1988. The U.S. cruiser USS Vincennes (July 3, 1988) shot down Iran Air Flight 655 with the loss of all 290 passengers and crew, including women and children. Some analysts interpreted this as a very severe warning to end the war, as it no longer benefited the U.S. government. The American Government said that the airliner had been mistaken for an Iranian F-14 Tomcat which had been in the same general area as the civilain plane shortly beforehand.

But if you read on it does state that America sold weapons to Iran Secretly and then went on help and aid Iraq.

Proves my point!!!

Originally posted by English_Pride
Pany Sniffer, Good one, You Fucking 6 year old.
Yeah, well at least I don't write like one...

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
Is this going to end?

It seems, it won't.....:@@:
We could change the title of this thread to "100 and one ways to insult US and conter-insult" :D
Come on guys, this subject is getting old.
English-pride will always hate the US and Praetorian will always reply. It's not worth it unless you are using this to relieve some stress..:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Teddy
It seems, it won't.....:@@:
We could change the title of this thread to "100 and one ways to insult US and conter-insult" :D
Come on guys, this subject is getting old.
English-pride will always hate the US and Praetorian will always reply. It's not worth it unless you are using this to relieve some stress..:rolleyes:

I dont hate the u.s, I hate certain aspects of the American Government and hwta they have done in the past and Presant.

I do fucking hate Prae with a passion!!! But i should because he obviously is a 6 year old in a mans body.

Originally posted by English_Pride
I dont hate the u.s, I hate certain aspects of the American Government and hwta they have done in the past and Presant.
Well, if you don't...you certainly know how to look like you do...from the thread title (I'm not American, but if I were I would find insulting such a generalization) You may change the title to: "I hate Bush and all his imperialistic policies" at least everyone would know what is your point.

Originally posted by English_Pride
I do fucking hate Prae with a passion!!! But i should because he obviously is a 6 year old in a mans body.
With passion!!?? being English!!??? ok just kidding.. I personally don't hate anyone (a waste of time) and specially not to anyone I've ever met in my life...I give you a friendly advice..get out and have fun, go to the pub and drink guinness until you're wasted.
By the way, I wouldn't take as an insult to be a 6 year old in a man's body...well there is a say: youth is in the spirit. :D

Originally posted by Teddy
Well, if you don't...you certainly know how to look like you do...from the thread title (I'm not American, but if I were I would find insulting such a generalization) You may change the title to: "I hate Bush and all his imperialistic policies" at least everyone would know what is your point.
What I don't understand is how this kid can have a problem with our government, and blanketly love his. I mean, for Christ's sake, we operate in virtually the same exact fashion. As for the argument about selling weapons at the same time, and I quote from his source, "Iraq's army was primarily armed with weaponry it had purchased from the Soviet Union and her satellites in the preceding decade. During the war, it purchased more equipment from the Soviets and their allies, as well as from China, France, Egypt, maybe Germany, and other sources (including European facilities for making and/or enhancing chemical weapons). Much of Iraq's financial backing came from other Arab states, notably oil-rich Kuwait and Saudi Arabia." I'll admit that we did have weapons dealings, but they were inconsequential when viewed as percentage of their total stockpile.

This brings me back to my original question, and that was simply, what was his point?

Originally posted by Teddy
My parents lived 40 years in a dictatorship. Do you think they chose it? I find your comment it insulting and cinic.

My parents were regular middle class people who didn't want to have another civil war in Spain and anyhow even with another war, the only parties willing to fight were the extremists. Looking at my country experience, the ones to fight for a change of regime are not the democratic parties (who prefer the dialog and negotation), but the ones wanting to get all the power on their hands regardless the people. And that's not the base for a democracy, that's the base for a dictatorship and it doesn't matter if it is a conservative or a comunist or a religious dictator, they are all the same.
In Spain, during the civil war, the few wanting a democracy were crashed by both parties (fascists and republicans) so in fact at that time we were condened to have a dictator.
And after the wars, it was not a favour for the Spanish people that nobody did anything effective against Franco, your answer I guess is that the Spanish people should have got rid of him but how with no international help? with another war? no thanks we already had our share of that.

For me it is just a matter of whether the human rights are universal (regardless culture, race, religion, country, political ideas...) or just for a few "advance" cultures in the developed countries.
I believe human rights are universal and as long as they are dictators (of any ideology) we should be ashamed of ourselves for letting those people down. Nobody (except the few being or profiting from having the power) chooses to be in a dictatorship, it is always imposed.

Sorry i didn't reply earlier teddy and sorry for offending you. What i was trying to say was that if they want freedom, then some will have to show the world that they want to be free. But as you said, it is sometimes difficult to overthrow a brutal regime without international help, and those who do fight back may not fight for freedom; simply another form of brutal regime gov't. Sorry for offending you teddy.

a couple of questions for you brits..... LETS SAY I WAS ON YOUR HOSTED FORUM.... and i said brits have shitty addidas shoes and of course we know those shoes are part of your country's pride. OK and i said those shoes are worth less than NIKE shoes. would you try and defend those shoes?

(any proud english man would defend his country's honor)


i know alot of proud english men, that are more patriotic than many people i know.

corey

Why on earth would the Brits be proud of a German shoe?

Adidas is named after Adolf (Adi) Dassler, the German who founded the firm. His brother Rudolf started Puma.

Originally posted by English_Pride
Ive just been booted off a site ive been memeber of for 2 years. the membership is mainly American.

Well if i dont get reinstated and an apology then quite frankly im going to join most over non Americans and think all americans are retards who are too stuck up thier own arses.

So how do you lot feel about this sort of thing??
I’ve only read the intro to this thread and I haven’t the time to see all the replies (unfortunately) – I’ve got to run. But before I go I must make this short post.

I’ve been booted off 2 predominately American boards for the very same petty reason...... not because I'd written anything false or because I'd lied but because the Americans were taking it so personally and I was upsetting them. So I started searching for a board with no/or less American participation but, alas (!) there are none.

The upshot of this reply is that now that I’ve found this board I am so very thankful for the opportunity of being amongst a majority of Americans who really have their heads screwed on properly.

Thank you for the experience!

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
Why are you spelling America like that????
Why do you keep spelling Amerika with a "c"?
I wish you'd stop it! You're giving me a headache! :) :) :)

Originally posted by Catch 3
I’ve been booted off 2 predominately American boards for the very same petty reason...... not because I'd written anything false or because I'd lied but because the Americans were taking it so personally and I was upsetting them. So I started searching for a board with no/or less American participation but, alas (!) there are none.

The upshot of this reply is that now that I’ve found this board I am so very thankful for the opportunity of being amongst a majority of Americans who really have their heads screwed on properly.

Thank you for the experience!

I'm glad you found a board you like Catch 3, and I think it's nice to have members from a variety of locations. :)

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
Right the way i see this is in accordance with -

February 6, 1778 - American and French representatives sign two treaties in Paris: a Treaty of Amity and Commerce and a Treaty of Alliance. France now officially recognizes the United States and will soon become the major supplier of military supplies to Washington's army. Both countries pledge to fight until American independence is won, with neither country concluding any truce with Britain without the other's consent, and guarantee each other's possessions in America against all other powers.

The American struggle for independence is thus enlarged and will soon become a world war. After British vessels fire on French ships, the two nations declare war. Spain will enter in 1779 as an ally of France. The following year, Britain will declare war on the Dutch who have been engaging in profitable trade with the French and Americans. In addition to the war in America, the British will have to fight in the Mediterranean, Africa, India, the West Indies, and on the high seas. All the while facing possible invasion of England itself by the French.

We pretty much took on the world, had to keep a watch out for invasion by the french AND had to keep fighting the war in America. Now not being funny but were a tiny little island so to be fair that was a pretty hardcore mission and if nothing else had been happening and it was simply a case of America fighting England with no interested from any other country we would have won that hands down.

This has been interesting though and allowed me to learn alot more about a subject i had only breifly touched upon. Point of note, The Battle of Saratoga. You had 20,000 troops total, we had about 8000. We lost 1000 men, you lost a little under 500. So in reality they say that was a great victory it was pretty even and since it was over 2 men to 1 in your favour i dont think we did too badly.

May 12, 1780 - The worst American defeat of the Revolutionary War occurs as the British capture Charleston and its 5400-man garrison (the entire southern American Army) along with four ships and a military arsenal. British losses are only 225.

Very interesting stuff! and makes me wonder if your history classes are actually better than ours. Imagine sitting there listening to Victorian Plagues etc, it gets boring quickly.

Nice to see the entire 8 year war cut and pasted into a few paragraphs with much slant...oh, if only my own history class had been this simple.......

Are americans Pig Headed/Paranoid/Normal

Yes. Next question.

Originally posted by Catch 3
The upshot of this reply is that now that I’ve found this board I am so very thankful for the opportunity of being amongst a majority of Americans who really have their heads screwed on properly.

:flowers:

When I read this thread, I didn't know whether to laugh or throw up.

I am sick of the non-stop America bashing. I wonder if I'm the only one here tired of same.

Yeah, we have problems. Who doesn't?

But this other crap and pigslop is going beyond the pale.

Note to the English:

You lost. Doesn't matter how many battles you won. You lost the war. The stuck up prig
"Lord" Cornwallis surrendered at Yorktown. He waved the white flag. But he was too good to surrender in person. He sent his aid over.

Such graciousness.

That was 224 years ago. Time to move on. You lost. Get over it.

Signed,

Rendova, direct line descendant of these patriots and damn proud of it:

Zachariah Callaway, armorer, Virginia

James Jr. Spencer, private, Pennsylvania

Abner Spencer, private, New York

Daniel Van Voorhees, private, New Jersey

Ithamar Spencer, Captain, New York

Ephraim Kibbe, sergeant, New Jersey

Jacob Bonham, private, Pennsylvania

in WORLD WAR1. the europeans were trying to show off their military power and as a result you guys ended killing millions of each other and then ended up asking for america help cause you guys couldnt finish what you started......

WORLD WAR2. you guys screwed over the germans and put them into a depression and as a result the germans took avenge and kicked your guys ass's again and once again you couldnt finish what you started and begged for help again...and we were tired of stoping your kiddie fights so we didnt join till the end because we felt sorry for you guys again... so we helped ya out of that mess....

and here we are today.. WHEN WE DESPERATELY NEED YOUR HELP, YOU SPIT IN OUR FACES.

SOME FREINDS YOU GUYS ARE:(

Originally posted by corey324
and here we are today.. WHEN WE DESPERATELY NEED YOUR HELP, YOU SPIT IN OUR FACES.

SOME FREINDS YOU GUYS ARE:(

That's a little simplistic, don't you think?

I GUESS IT IS BETTER TO BE ENEMYS THEN.....I GUESS:>

WHILE WE GO AT EACH OTHERS NECKS OTHER COUNTRY'S, PARTICULARLY IN ASIA BEGIN TO RISE ABOVE US THE SO CALLED SUPER POWERS....WE WILL NO LONGER BE THE FOLLOWED BUT THE FOLLOWERS.:<

Please, continue posting in all-caps, it makes you sound so intelligent.

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DONT HAVE A COW MAN

FROM: BART SIMPSON

Do you really expect people to take you seriously? It's no skin off our backs if you get labeled an idiot due to your posting habits. Just trying to help :)

HEY MAN IM NOT THE PRICK HERE

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later dickface i dont like these forums anyways its filled with a bunch of fuckfaces like you ........

never look back
FROM: Some Smart Guy




ps. assholes and look no caps :)

Dickface, huh? Who's the prick again?

In reply to the original topic, my personal experience is that America has a very diverse population make-up in terms of just about everything concerning the people's principles--political beliefs, religious beliefs, ethical views, cultural background...etc. On the other hand, when you are online, as time goes on the population make-up on forum sites gradually develop an identify, where most of the participants have certain things in common. Incompatible newcomers will at the same time afont its existing members and find themselves distate the site's population make-up. On allforums, I think the population make-up is one which has diversity in opinions, but where most participants are intelligent and open-minded.

hey sorry for being a jerk to you: napsterbater.
i didnt mean to use the caps. im new and had no idea it would anoy the shit out of you guys.

hopefully you'll forgive a humble man such as myself

To try and judge the ignorance in a whole country's population is ignorance itself. In my opinion: Every country has ignorant people...

Bush is ignorant and we have little power over what he does till his term is over......So if you choose to hate, hate the people you know...dont hate someone you know little about.

Corey, you should know that we welcome new members. We have a diverse mix here and there's definately room for you here. It does help enormously if you were to learn newsgroup etiquette before you begin posting in confrontational ways. Nobody here hates you. We just want to see you do well, ok? :)

thanks i will try harder to stick to the subject

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Are americans Pig Headed/Paranoid/Normal ?
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Originally posted by Napsterbater
Yes. Next question.
Crude and unjust – but funnier n’ hell!:) :) :)