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DanF
02-15-2005, 12:29 PM
In another post I was trying to remember something that I have since looked up in the Christian Bible.
Genesis 6:4
"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."


If I take this passage literally I am to understand that God has more than one son and that they (fornicated) with earth women and were capable of offspring. Wonder if one of these sons of God was Jesus?
No way to say. No names were used.
Interested in hearing this one explained when nothing else is said to support or take away from the passage.

~Sal~
02-15-2005, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by Dan Fussell
In another post I was trying to remember something that I have since looked up in the Christian Bible.
Genesis 6:4
"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."


If I take this passage literally I am to understand that God has more than one son and that they (fornicated) with earth women and were capable of offspring. Wonder if one of these sons of God was Jesus?
No way to say. No names were used.
Interested in hearing this one explained when nothing else is said to support or take away from the passage.

Just wait until my extreme right winged Catholic girlfriend finds out how much I have opened my bible lately. She is gonna be so happy, she'll be dancing. Normally she finds my belief structure to be exxxxxxtremely questionable at best. She will think there is hope for me...;)

Had to look up those passages. You have to understand though that this interpretation is from a Catholic perspective and they (I) believe much of the bible to be allegory used to teach certain truths rather than a literal translation. But here's what I was able to find:

This is apparently a fragment of an old legend that had borrowed much from ancient mythology. The sacred author incorporates it here, not only in order to account for the prehistoric giants of Palestine, who the Israelites called the Nephilim, but also to introduce the story of the flood with a moral orientation _ the constantly increasing wickedness of mankind.

~Sal~
02-15-2005, 04:04 PM
Sorry the remainder got lost somehow...

6:2 The sons of heaven: literally "the sons fo the gods" or "the sons of God" ie. the celestial beings of mythology.

6:3 My Spirit: the breath of life referred to in Gn2, 7 His days...years: probably the time God would still let men live on earth before estroying them with the flood, rather than the maximum span of life God would allot to individual men in the future.

STOpandthink
02-15-2005, 08:30 PM
6:1
Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,

6:2
that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

6:3
And the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive F9 with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."

6:4
There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

6:5
Then the Lord F10 saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6:6
And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

6:7
So the Lord said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them."

6:8
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

I just thought it would be nice to see it in context.
6.1 Simply describes what is happening meanwhile.
6.2 Sons of Gods are the Jews, the line of people leading up to Christ. The sons of men are the others. St. Augustine beatifully discusses this concept of heavenly city vs. earthly city. Basically there was one line from Cain (who murdered his brother Abel) and another from Seth, the good guy. All Cain's people died in the flood, but Noah was saved, because he was a descendant of Seth.
6.3 God basically says: "Well, this is it. I made up my mind to kill all of them."
6.4 Giants is a relative term, probably meaning big people. The were the offspring from men of God mating with women of men. God obviously didn't like that.
6.5-6.7 God decides to wipe everything off.
6.8 But to save Noah.
The end!

DanF
02-15-2005, 09:26 PM
I use the King James version of the Bible, what are you using?
Mine said nothing about Jews.

DanF
02-15-2005, 09:28 PM
Thanks Sal, mythology is right I believe.

STOpandthink
02-15-2005, 10:10 PM
I use new king james version. There was nothing about Jews as you see, and there were no "Jews" yet, but they will be eventually formed from the line of Seth.