A country that could fight-BACK!! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12836-2005Feb10.html) :eek:

"North Korea on Thursday announced for the first time that it has nuclear weapons and rejected moves to restart disarmament talks any time soon, saying it needs the weapons as protection against an increasingly hostile United States.

The communist state's pronouncement dramatically raised the stakes in the two-year-old nuclear confrontation and posed a grave challenge to President Bush, who started his second term with a vow to end North Korea's nuclear program through six-nation talks."

That's right, kids..........it's Diplomacy-time.........with a country that does have WMDs!!!! :rolleyes:

But, not to worry!!! We'll always take-care of our defense-industry investors (http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-02-09-voa69.cfm)!!

"When the two met with reporters, President Bush was asked if Poland would be receiving more aid to modernize its military. He said he planned to ask Congress for $100 million. It is a significant increase over the $67 million set aside for that purpose last year. But the president indicated he is certain the new request will win congressional support.

"I don't get to write the checks in the American system of government,” said Mr. Bush. “The Congress does that. But I get to put out requests. And I assured the president that when it is all said and done that would be the request we will put forward. I am confident the Congress will respond."

with this in mind it makes you wonder why bush didn't do soemthing way back when before the weapons were developed. is it because that north korea doesn't have oil? gasp, shame the thought!
i'm beginning to think that the democrats failed the last election on purpose to get more nazi's in office and keep the ones already there.



Originally posted by Mr. Shaman
A country that could fight-BACK!! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12836-2005Feb10.html) :eek:

"North Korea on Thursday announced for the first time that it has nuclear weapons and rejected moves to restart disarmament talks any time soon, saying it needs the weapons as protection against an increasingly hostile United States.

The communist state's pronouncement dramatically raised the stakes in the two-year-old nuclear confrontation and posed a grave challenge to President Bush, who started his second term with a vow to end North Korea's nuclear program through six-nation talks."

That's right, kids..........it's Diplomacy-time.........with a country that does have WMDs!!!! :rolleyes:

But, not to worry!!! We'll always take-care of our defense-industry investors (http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-02-09-voa69.cfm)!!

"When the two met with reporters, President Bush was asked if Poland would be receiving more aid to modernize its military. He said he planned to ask Congress for $100 million. It is a significant increase over the $67 million set aside for that purpose last year. But the president indicated he is certain the new request will win congressional support.

"I don't get to write the checks in the American system of government,” said Mr. Bush. “The Congress does that. But I get to put out requests. And I assured the president that when it is all said and done that would be the request we will put forward. I am confident the Congress will respond."

shaman hates bush so much he will take the side of ANYONE who opposes him, even if it means his life is at risk, that my friends, is a fanatic. Of course, he is kind of a fake fanatic becasue all he does is run his mouth, when a real fanatic would do something

Originally posted by Travh20
shaman hates bush so much he will take the side of ANYONE who opposes him, even if it means his life is at risk, that my friends, is a fanatic.

When a person concludes that Shaman's posting of a newspaper story about North Korea indicates that he is **taking the side of** North Korea ------ that person, my friends, is a fanatic.

you'd better believe it ! one thing about a lie, it WILL come back to haunt. these bush supporters are coming up with more and more excuses as to why that jerk did what he did...........he's an asshole, and this shit will come back and bite him, and the rest of you supporters in the ass.....i cant wait til condom-lisa-rice gets hers....the bitch.

you know, i was watching JFK, and something they said struck me as very funny. they were talking about how much money, the companies that built the war equipment, were going to lose ( those same companies were going bankrupt until the war ), if kennedy stopped the war. some of bush's buddies owned companies that were going bankrupt, UNTIL THIS WAR !!!! just a co-ink-a-dink i suppose.

Originally posted by Travh20
shaman hates bush so much he will take the side of ANYONE who opposes him, even if it means his life is at risk, that my friends, is a fanatic. Of course, he is kind of a fake fanatic becasue all he does is run his mouth, when a real fanatic would do something you are un-damn-believable. you will go down with the ship, wont you ? travh, somewhere along the line, you are suppose to exibit A MIND OF YOUR OWN. i think you're the fanatic.

Originally posted by ivan
with this in mind it makes you wonder why bush didn't do soemthing way back when before the weapons were developed.

Because he wasn't President yet, that's why.

Jesus, do you fucking people have amnesia? Do a little research on WHY they have nuclear capabilities, and get back to me.

Yep, the amnesia strikes again.

Under the Clinton Administration, this was one of those Madeline Albright specials, North Korea was given nuclear equimpment and material on the condition that they wouldn't go and make bombs from the material that the Clinton Administration handed over to Kim Jong Il.

Now Bush is taking the heat over that fact that a tyranical dictator, with all the power and protection given to him by China has made nuclear weapons and told the U.S. to go and screw itself.

The part I like best was when Madeline Albright actually expressed surprise that the commies lied to her.

Don't even get me started over the fracas that happened at Los Alamos when the Chi-coms went and stole ALL our nuclear secrets under Clinton's watch.

I think we need to kick the missle defense program into high gear. What with all the nuclear material and secrets the Clinton Administration handed like so many M&Ms.

Originally posted by Travh20
shaman hates bush so much he will take the side of ANYONE who opposes him, even if it means his life is at risk, that my friends, is a fanatic. Of course, he is kind of a fake fanatic becasue all he does is run his mouth, when a real fanatic would do something
I'm patiently waiting for you to make-your-move!! :p

Originally posted by korg
these bush supporters are coming up with more and more excuses as to why that jerk did what he did...........
I think the NeoCons still call it flip-floppin'!!!! (http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=685) :D

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Jesus, do you fucking people have amnesia? Do a little research on WHY they have nuclear capabilities, and get back to me.
Simple!

We've got another Bush in-office!!

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Yep, the amnesia strikes again.

Under the Clinton Administration, this was one of those Madeline Albright specials, North Korea was given nuclear equimpment and material on the condition that they wouldn't go and make bombs from the material that the Clinton Administration handed over to Kim Jong Il.
Try, again, Skippy! :rolleyes:

The Clinton-admin cut them a deal on heavy (heating)-oil, on the condition they'd stop weapons-development/research........then Lil' Dumbya came-along and cut-off the oil-deal!!!

You must be thinking of the Reagan/Bush-admin. (http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/021601a.html)

Yeah.........I know........all those folks look the same, to you (NeoCons). :rolleyes:

You are seriously ill informed, Mr. Shaman.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
You are seriously ill informed, Mr. Shaman.
oooooooooooooooooooooooo........

Thanks for the wordy-retort........dispelling all I posted!! :rolleyes:

Gee..........I'm so embarrassed. :rolleyes:

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I guess you weren't paying attention.


"In the late 1980s the U.S. became alarmed when it began to suspect the North Koreans of developing a nuclear weapons program. In 1994 President Clinton came close to war with North Korea, but Jimmy Carter saved the situation when he visited Pyongyang to talk with Kim Il Sung. Carter's announcement was followed up subsequently by the Agreed Framework of 1994, which froze the rods in the nuclear reactor built at Yongbyon and prevented the conversion of the waste to plutonium in return for guarantees to build two light-water reactors and supply 500,000 tons of heavy oil (http://hnn.us/articles/1235.html) to North Korea.

The Agreed Framework was achieved because Clinton was willing to negotiate with North Korea and engage in quid-pro-quo negotiations. The result was not total transparency of North Korea's nuclear facilities, but the agreement achieved a freeze on nuclear waste that could have been processed to make plutonium for atomic weapons. Just before the end of the Clinton regime, the United States worked out an informal agreement with Kim Jong Il, the new leader of North Korea, that included the abandonment of the north's long-range missile program. But the lame-duck Clinton failed to sign the agreement and left it to the Bush administration to conclude the deal.

No sooner did George Bush become president than he refused to endorse the progress Clinton had made, criticized Clinton's Agreed Framework as a case of appeasement of North Korean nuclear blackmail, listed North Korea as one of the members of the "Axis of Evil," and announced that he loathed Kim Jong Il, whom the president described as a tyrant who starved his own people. Was it any surprise that the North Koreans interpreted this as a shift of U.S. policy to outright hostility and responded by renouncing the Agreed Framework, removing the rods from their nuclear reactor in preparation for reprocessing, and canceling its membership in the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT)? George Bush responded by threatening to condemn North Korea before the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) for abrogating the terms of the NPT and indicated he'd seek sanctions against the regime -- an act that might have led directly to war."

Maybe I got the sequence wrong........but, Bush still FUCKED THINGS UP!!!!!!! :mad:

Originally posted by Mr. Shaman
oooooooooooooooooooooooo........

Thanks for the wordy-retort........dispelling all I posted!! :rolleyes:
You know, it's pretty funny...you post gobs of shit that's so over the top, it's almost laughable, and you still look for people to respond to your antics. Let me give you a little advice if you want to be taken more seriously, Shaman -

First of all, lose the goofy font predilection. It serves to do nothing more than piss people off, makes your post difficult to read, and, well, lets be honest, it just looks stupid. Secondly, if your going to pretend you're the type of person who actually attempts to evaluate both sides of the equation, then don't post dumbass pictures we all know you pulled off some wacky, nut bag, liberal site to prove your point. You're not making bold political commentary; you're making stupid posts, period. Thirdly, read more, and try thinking about what was said. Evaluate the info in its entirety, and formulate a well-rounded opinion.

Good luck.

Jesus, do you fucking people have amnesia? Do a little research on WHY they have nuclear capabilities, and get back to me.

Rumsfeld Company Sold Nuclear Weapon Equipment to North Korea

http://www.utne.com/web_special/web_specials_2003-05/articles/10549-1.html

:D

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Secondly, if your going to pretend you're the type of person who actually attempts to evaluate both sides of the equation, then don't post dumbass pictures we all know you pulled off some wacky, nut bag, liberal site to prove your point. You're not making bold political commentary; you're making stupid posts, period.

There are a few (relatively recent) developments surrounding the N Korea situation that you seem to have missed.

One pertinent one being ----- (from the History News Network)

""No sooner did George Bush become president than he refused to endorse the progress Clinton had made, criticized Clinton's Agreed Framework as a case of appeasement of North Korean nuclear blackmail, listed North Korea as one of the members of the "Axis of Evil," and announced that he loathed Kim Jong Il, whom the president described as a tyrant who starved his own people. Was it any surprise that the North Koreans interpreted this as a shift of U.S. policy to outright hostility and responded by renouncing the Agreed Framework, removing the rods from their nuclear reactor in preparation for reprocessing, and canceling its membership in the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT)? ""

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Your attempt to dismiss the info Shaman provided on Bush's actions--- and the repercussions of those actions-- as some sort of "wacky nutbag librull stuff" is pathetic....not to mention being intellectually dishonest.

Originally posted by Mr. Shaman
Try, again, Skippy! :rolleyes:

The Clinton-admin cut them a deal on heavy (heating)-oil, on the condition they'd stop weapons-development/research........then Lil' Dumbya came-along and cut-off the oil-deal!!!

You must be thinking of the Reagan/Bush-admin. (http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/021601a.html)

Yeah.........I know........all those folks look the same, to you (NeoCons). :rolleyes:

great idea, give the genocidal maniac a bunch of free oil and hope they keep their word, that is why the democrats are not in power anymore, stupid ass idea s like that. how you can have so much trust in kim jong il and blame bush for everything is just stupid

Originally posted by Travh20
great idea, give the genocidal maniac a bunch of free oil

The oil was not 'free'.

Originally posted by Travh20
and hope they keep their word

Which they were doing, until George Bush backed out on the agreement.

North Korea has nuclear weapons and Iran is moving toward them because the only government that's actually dropped nuclear bombs on another country --the US-- is acting in a threatening way toward them.

That's what's making the world more unstable and more dangerous.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
...you post gobs of shit that's so over the top, it's almost laughable......
Hey.......that's Bush-politics!!

Ya' can't make-this-shit-up!! :p

Originally posted by Travh20
great idea, give the genocidal maniac a bunch of free oil and hope they keep their word.....
......Much like lettin' Lil' George take-the-wheel of The Reagan/Bush Train-Wreck (http://quixote-quest.org/resources/national_international/BushReaganRerun_020401.html), and tryin' to drive it outta-the-ditch.....again......... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Freethinker
North Korea has nuclear weapons and Iran is moving toward them because the only government that's actually dropped nuclear bombs on another country --the US-- is acting in a threatening way toward them.

That's what's making the world more unstable and more dangerous.
.......And, the U.S. weapons-industry stockholders LOVE it!!! It's like......all they had to do was put new tires on their old Cold War sales-pitch and get 'er back-on-the-ROAD!! ;)

the libs have learned nothing from history. They are so worried someone might make a profit off of something they cant tell when someone has a gun to their head, Despots can not be trusted, period. you don't give a man like Kim Jong Il oil and take his word he wont do anything bad. There is a term for that, is called appeasement, and it does not work, It is utterly ridiculous. I don't care if you have cameras in place. If you can name me a successful appeasement campaign I am all ears, until then, Clintons "plan" was to hope to give the guy enough stuff to keep him quiet, which obviously did not work.

I hope you all do not raise your kids the same way you approach dealing with dictators. Giving them enough to keep them quiet does not work, because in the end they always want more, and when it gets to a point you don't have enough to give to keep them quiet then you have to deal with the problem like you should have from the get go, although now it is going to be much more difficult since the kid is completely spoiled and out of control and unreasonable.

Iraqs only problem is that it DIDNT have WMD. NK was ignored for making threatening statements against America. Iraq put their hands up and complied and look where it got them.

Now what kind of a message do you think that sends to the rest of the world if they want to protect themselves from invasion?

protect themselves from invasion :rolleyes: STFU :comphit:

I seriously doubt that the united states will get away with invading another country whether it be NK or Iran or Syria or Cuba or ....

The rest of the civilized world has positioned itself to take us down both militarily and economically if we do a Hitler (Czech/Poland) without a very good reason.

Making up lies for the UN about Niger/Yellocake/WMDS etc isn't gonna get it anymore.

Dop

ya, and france will spearhead the invasion force

Originally posted by Travh20
ya, and france will spearhead the invasion force
No shit...

Dop speaks with a school girls giddiness when he mentions how weak we are or how he believes another country or group of countries could destroy us

No kidding. It's as if he takes pleasure in believing that we're headed for a fall. God, it's sickening...

I guess in the twisted mind of radical leftists its better to be dead then to believe America might be right about something. What kind of person does it take to see the situation with N Korea and decide the best course of action is to attack the US over it? there is absolutely not one whisper of any wrong doing on N Koreas part coming form the mouths of the leftists on this board. They take this situation, as they do every other situation, as an opportunity to try and convince us how none of this would be happening if it were not for the evil Americans trying to make a profit. it is not only a sick and twisted way to view the situation, but is a dangerous view to take. I suppose if N Korea does launch a nuke on us they will be blaming bush up to the second they are vaporized. "That damn Bush, why did he make N Korea launch a nuke on us!!!!?" never once enertaining the idea that it may have something to do with the pshyco dictator who rules N Korea with an iron fist. "No!!!! its those damn republicans I tell you! Anyone who want to ban gay marriage has to be the ones who started the nukes a'f lyin'! Halliburton!!! Haliburton!!!!, damn you haliburton!!!" (all said in your best grandpa simpson voice of course)

does anyone else think it completly insane to look at all of this, then look at the title of this thread and think anything but shaman sitting there saying "fuck ya N korea, show those bullies they cant push the whole world around!" is he complety unaware of reality?

Originally posted by Travh20
I hope you all do not raise your kids the same way you approach dealing with dictators. Giving them enough to keep them quiet does not work, because in the end they always want more, and when it gets to a point you don't have enough to give to keep them quiet then you have to deal with the problem like you should have from the get go.......
But........it's (always) different, for the BUSH-family (http://www.axisoflogic.com/cgi-bin/exec/view.pl?archive=42&num=5089).......right?? :rolleyes:

"They also remember Bush's stories about how the New Haven, Connecticut police always let him go, after he told them his name, when they stopped him "all the time" for driving drunk as a student at Yale in the late 1960s.

"He would laugh uproariously as though there was something funny about this. To me, that was pretty memorable, because here he is, a number of years out of college, talking about this to people he doesn't know," Archibald said. "He just struck me as a guy who really had an idea of himself as very much a child of privilege, that he wasn't operating by the same rules."

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You NeoCons surely do have a high-tolerance for hypocrisy........especially your OWN!! :@@:

Originally posted by Travh20
Dop speaks with a school girls giddiness when he mentions how weak we are or how he believes another country or group of countries could destroy us
Gee........I guess you haven't heard about our trade-deficit with China!! :@@:

I'm shocked. :rolleyes:

You don't always take-down another country, with your military........despite what Lil' Dumbya insists. Just ask Cuba. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Travh20
Halliburton!!! Haliburton!!!!, damn you haliburton!!!" (all said in your best grandpa simpson voice of course)
LMAO. :)

Originally posted by Travh20
does anyone else think it completly insane to look at all of this, then look at the title of this thread and think anything but shaman sitting there saying "fuck ya N korea, show those bullies they cant push the whole world around!" is he complety unaware of reality?
Yes and yes

Originally posted by Travh20
does anyone else think it completly insane to look at all of this, then look at the title of this thread and think anything but shaman sitting there saying "fuck ya N korea, show those bullies they cant push the whole world around!" is he complety unaware of reality?
What.......that Lil' Dumbya is in a pissin'-contest, with another Fortunate Son??

Yeah........I've noticed. :rolleyes:

Exciting (for you John-Wayne-wannabes), isn't it? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Mr. Shaman
Gee........I guess you haven't heard about our trade-deficit with China!! :@@:

I'm shocked. :rolleyes:

You don't always take-down another country, with your military........despite what Lil' Dumbya insists. Just ask Cuba. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


you bring up the stupidest crap sometimes shaman.

Originally posted by Travh20
you bring up the stupidest crap sometimes shaman.
Gee.........your pop-gun is empty, already??

I'm shocked. :rolleyes:

Yeah and both of you pussies will be right there on the front lines stopping them.... ROTFLMAO

Dop

Yeah, and just think, dickhead...they can fight us there, while you lend 'em some assistance from the helm of your computer in your rented beach bungalow, loser.

well stop bitchin and grab yer gun and go to iraq and help out good ol amerikas cause.



Originally posted by The Praetorian
Yeah, and just think, dickhead...they can fight us there, while you lend 'em some assistance from the helm of your computer in your rented beach bungalow, loser.

I will pick up my gun and head to iraq when you pick up your gun and stop this nazi regime from exterminating the whole world, of course unless your not so sure of it as you seem to think you are.

Originally posted by Travh20
I will pick up my gun and head to iraq when you pick up your gun and stop this nazi regime from exterminating the whole world.........
We're tryin'........we're tryin'.........but, ya' gotta laugh-at-him, at the same time.....even after he's bankrupted the nation's economy!! :p


http://www.rushlimbaughonline.com/gallery/gwmissiletoy.jpg

bush, the repugs, and the right wing jesus crispies are doing a good enough job as it is. at their rate someone's gonna chuck a nuke at someone. or people will slowly wake up to see the stupidity of it all and finally smack themselves on the head. DOH!



Originally posted by Travh20
I will pick up my gun and head to iraq when you pick up your gun and stop this nazi regime from exterminating the whole world, of course unless your not so sure of it as you seem to think you are.

You'll never see these chickenshits enlisting to protect our country ... they're too busy working their 32-hour-week government jobs in Sacramento and braggingly spreading black-belt stories around the internet.

ROTFLMAO

Dop

if you are talking about me and the 32 hour a week job in Sacto you can blow it out your ass dop. I bust my ass day in aand day out to support my family. and I did my time in the shit too, so back the hell off with your crap

LOL....shaman, man you are some kind of fanatic....

if an alien race came down and started enslaving humans....it would be bush's fault.....

what a crock of liberal, hippy, hate-the-republican bullshit.....

Originally posted by Decka
LOL....shaman, man you are some kind of fanatic....

if an alien race came down and started enslaving humans....it would be bush's fault.....
Aw, geez.........we've got a fantasy-filled Reagan-fan (http://www.randomhouse.com/features/americancentury/totheright.html), here........ :rolleyes:

"Reagan's team was always on pins and needles in negotiations when the President drifted into story mode. He was fondest of describing how Americans and Russians would unite to repel invaders of Earth from other planets by laser beams from his fanciful nuclear umbrella, the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI). "Oh, no," his aides would groan, "here come the little green men again." :@@:


http://www.americanpolitics.com/reaganDOH.gif

"Oops!! I did it, again!!!!"

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
You'll never see these chickenshits enlisting to protect our country ... they're too busy working their 32-hour-week government jobs in Sacramento and braggingly spreading black-belt stories around the internet.

ROTFLMAO

Dop
If anyone’s brought up my black belt on the Internet, it's you, you daft fucking hippy. What is this, your THIRD reference now? Just do me a favor and let some kid bury you in the sand up to your neck, and hopefully, the tide will take care of the rest. You’d think that anyone whose been taking psychotropic drugs for going on thirty years now would have died from an overdose at some point. Of all the dumb luck to miss…

Originally posted by Mr. Shaman
Aw, geez.........we've got a fantasy-filled Reagan-fan (http://www.randomhouse.com/features/americancentury/totheright.html), here........ :rolleyes:

"Reagan's team was always on pins and needles in negotiations when the President drifted into story mode. He was fondest of describing how Americans and Russians would unite to repel invaders of Earth from other planets by laser beams from his fanciful nuclear umbrella, the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI). "Oh, no," his aides would groan, "here come the little green men again." :@@:
"Oops!! I did it, again!!!!"

and tell me again what any of this has to do with ANYTHING we are talking about?

Originally posted by Decka
and tell me again what any of this has to do with ANYTHING we are talking about?
Hell.......you're the one who brought-up aliens!! :@@: