This is more of a religious question than political so I put it under Religion.

The 10 Commandments
1. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
3. Remember that thou keep holy the Lord's day.
4. Honor thy father and thy mother.
5. Thou shalt not kill.
6. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
7. Thou shalt not steal.
8. Thou shalt not bear false witness.
9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods.

I am curious how religious people see these. As a child in Catholic school I was taught that these were God’s commandments. That they were to be followed to the letter and that one could not pick and choose how to apply them.

As far as I can tell *ush has broken:
1 - His love of money and power comes close to breaking this.
5 – Having ordered soldiers to kill he is guilty of killing.
7 – Stealing from the Iraqi government and people.
8 – Lying about Sadamn’s and Al quida’s connection and lying about Sandman having weapons of mass destruction. Also a lie by omission is also a lie. I am sure he was well aware that the swifty wackjobs were lying and he never stood up and said a thing about it. He also purposely skewed statistics and made false statements about his opponent.
10 – Coveting Iraqi oil, land, people.

I know politicians are liars by profession but I doubt that excuses it in God’s eyes. Does one get to pick and choose weather killing is wrong or not? There is nothing in the comandments that says anything like "special circumstances may moot this commandment".

How does someone who professes to be religious, yet continues to break the commandments end up being supported by religious leaders and their congregations? Do they not see the hypocracy? Or do they see it and choose to ignore it?

I don't want to argue politics, I want some religious people to explain this. It doesn't make sense.

actually every human being breaks every commandment all the time.....

Killing isnt just murder...its hurting another person, saying something to demean them....the commandments aren't just cut and dry.

So don't go pointing out bush....all christians break all the commandments.....

That's true. All of us broke most of the commandments (may be even all). Does that excuse Bush? Not a chance. He is guilty.
Are there special conditions that let one go to war? Yes--like in Old Testament. If God says "Go kill all men", then you go and do it. Did God tell Bush to go and kill Iraqis? My guess in no, yet I might be wrong.
Why is he receiving the support of relegious leaders? I do no watch TV, nor keep track of the politics, but my guess is they are somewhat like him-hypocrites. They too want power and money and all that good stuff, and if supporting Bush will grant it to them, then, by God, they will do it.
In times of Jesus, there were people who strongly believed in Old Testament God, yet they denied the Lord Himself when He came. So much for being high priests!
I can't help but think that today is not all that different: the Church is corrupted and is used as a cover up for wicked actions. Very sad indeed.

Ok what do the last 2 mean? Like, those are the ones I don't understand too much...

When arguing that the 10 commandments should be posted in schools or courthouses, some people try to argue that our laws are based on the commandments. But only three of them are laws (#5, #7, & #8), and numbers 1 thru 3 are strictly religous based.

Ok what do the last 2 mean? Like, those are the ones I don't understand too much...

I thought "covet" meant to "desire"...so you can't desire or want your neighbor's stuff. Unless, of course, he has a really cool plasma TV.:)

Of all the wacky posts you've had the gall to put up here, your latest, Bush is breaking the ten commandments has got to be the all time lowest I've yet seen.

Now, if the Bushies are really after the oil, why, oh why, did Bush Sr not seize the Kuwaiti oil fields in 1991? As far as I know, W has not seized any Iraqi oil fields. Bush has given the Iraqis freedom, the right to choose their own government. Does not sound like "coveting" to me. Scratch one of your commandments.

Also killing. In your view, apparently, it was A-ok for Saddam to kill, rape, maim, torture, experiment on, but somehow Bush is violating yet another commandment when he orders soldiers to put a stop to it. I don't see the logic, and I doubt that Jesus would see your way of thinking either, perhaps you can explain?


Just what in the hell is Bush stealing from the Iraqis?

The point is that Sadam is killing, it is HIS sin, it is on his head and he will pay for it. Remember: "eye for an eye" no longer applies. Therefore, we can't say "oh, look, he is killing all the good people" and then go kill him or his people. That's anti-Christian and anybody who says otherwise is a hypocrite.
A Christian person would not kill no matter what the cost. (unless of course God Himself ordered so)

Originally posted by STOpandthink

A Christian person would not kill no matter what the cost. (unless of course God Himself ordered so)

and how do you know God didnt order him to? Just like God whispered to Hitler, Stalin etc etc.

Haha! I am sure He did!
But seriously. If God told them/him so, they/he would have acted like a Christian, they/he would have told it was God's will. Did they?
Ok, they didn't but some other people sure did. Lunatics, ravers, and simply crazy people. How do I know they are not lying? By their actions. If the actions are based to profit them, then they are not driven by God. Otherwise, they might be and I am not going to stop them. As long as everything is done for the Glory of God.

Originally posted by STOpandthink
As long as everything is done for the Glory of God.

Seriously I really dont want you to do that, Live for yourself, Please! just stop today and live for yourself and not for some God no ones ever seen.

You are your own God, Your body is your temple etc so pray to that, Do the very best for your mind and body and youll be happy. People say with God they know no fear, thats bullshit, they fear Satan and Hell thus why they chose God in the first place.

Actually thats really harsh of me, and you should be able to choose what you wanna do, im as bad as the christian fundie pushers so ignore me.

StopandThink,

I sure as hell feel sorry for your neighbors. I'm guessing your policy will be if you see someone's house burning down, you'll sit back and "sucks to be them" and not do one damn thing.

It amazes me. When the tsunami struck, Bush got criticized for not cutting his vacation short so he can go and throw money at the disaster victims. Yet when a tyrant MURDERS at least as many victims as when the Tsunami claimed, we are supposed to sit around and say "God will take care of him when he dies."

I guess, in your view, so long as YOU are comfortable what happens to others far away is not a concern to you at all.

I think all people of this world should have the same rights, freedoms and dignities we enjoy. It's morally disgusting that people just don't give a damn when others are subjected to tyranny and those in the free world won't do one damn thing to help them.

If the free would do it's job and spread the same freedom to other's, freedoms that are UNIVERSAL, there wouldn't be so damn much suffering in this world.

People like you disgust me.

Most of the commandments are natural laws that we could easily deduce without any sort of directive.

Bush and most powerful people are evil. That's how they gain power.

Some writer from antiquity wrote that to run a kingdom you must first realize that you are damned to Hell because of the things you will have to do.

It amazes me. When the tsunami struck, Bush got criticized for not cutting his vacation short so he can go and throw money at the disaster victims. Yet when a tyrant MURDERS at least as many victims as when the Tsunami claimed, we are supposed to sit around and say "God will take care of him when he dies."
Apparently if he is a christian, then yes. I just think this is more proof that there are no christians.

I agree with you, Ed Blank.

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
Seriously I really dont want you to do that, Live for yourself, Please! just stop today and live for yourself and not for some God no ones ever seen.

You are your own God, Your body is your temple etc so pray to that, Do the very best for your mind and body and youll be happy. People say with God they know no fear, thats bullshit, they fear Satan and Hell thus why they chose God in the first place.


You don't realize that there is nothing in this world to live for. I am my own god? I can't even trust myself to remember a doctor's appointment, how can I be my god if I am sooo flawed?
Christians fear Satan? No. Not if they are truly Christians. True Christians fear God who can destroy the body AND the soul, not devil who can only destroy the body and only if God permits. When we have God on our side, who will we be afraid of?

Darth Be'lal,
You seem to misunderstand me. I won't sit around and watch somebody burn in their house, I will surely help.
It pains me to see all the victims of nature and war and the such, but what can I do? Charity, sure. Personal help, the distance is in the way, and also there are enough people next to me who need help too.
But how can I stop war, how can I spread the freedom? Should I go and shoot all the bad guys? The end doesn't justify the means. If I want good to happen, I need to find good means to achieve it. But how? I can go and give anit-war speeches and the like, but look at my age. (happy birthday to me) I can't expect that much of myself.
All I can do is behave so people looking at me will say: "Hey, he is a nice person and he is against the war. War must be bad." This is oversimplifying, but I hope you see my point.
Also, God all things for a purpose. Does it mean we should do nothing to help the victims? No. But it means we shouldn't blame God for anything that happens.
If somebody goes around and shoots everybody that's bad, but I think people make the death sound worse than it is. For you it's the end, but for Christians it's the beginning. You try to run away from it, Christians try to achieve it. (don't even talk about suicide)

Originally posted by STOpandthink
I can go and give anit-war speeches and the like, but look at my age. (happy birthday to me) I can't expect that much of myself.


Yes you can?? How do you think the succesful people, the crusaders, the freedom fundies managed to get anywhere. Not by saying "Well its hard, so i cant do it" They would have shouted and screamed "I am worthy and i will do this through all the pain and possible death, for i fear no evil" etc.

You wanna do good for the world? then go and do it.

Also about the Death thing, its not true.

Go and do it...That's sounds fun.
You know, once I did just that, and I realized I really have nothing I can do. What can I say to make people realize? What can I do to make them understand? If I had a concrete goal, I would try to accomplish it, but the problem is--I don't.
P.S. I don't want to be like successful people, nor like crusaders, nor like freedom fundies.

Go on a Tony Robbins course, he will give you some goals.

No thanks. I think I am fine for now.:p

StopandThink,

Have you ever heard of the concept of the lesser evil? Do you honestly believe I want our troops in harm's way in the Middle East of all places? Innocent people have died during Saddam's riegn of terror, more have died since the U.S. decided to put a stop to it. But what is worse? Allowing an evil man like Saddam to rule Iraq? Or putting a stop to the torture chambers, the rape of women, the accumulation of WMDs? At least now, at LEAST the people of Iraq have a chance for a better life.

You say you are for peace, peace with who? Saddam? The taliban? Al Queda? These people/organizations are not for peace. You need to decide whose side you are on. Protesting against the U.S. in Iraq is helping those who put some 100,000 innocent people into mass graves. That is something that is morally reprehensible to me.

How can I explain it...
I am for peace, but I am for peace at all costs. Again, if Saddam wants to kill people and rape women, that is his choice. Should we go and kill many people to save other many people? No. I am against killing. As simple as that. I don't care what goal you are trying to achieve, but killing is bad.

why is it that people put George Bush up on a pedestal as if he's the pope or something? They suggest that he represents the entire christian faith...... which he doesn't. I don't know George, i don't know how strong his walk with God is. Obviously it isn't GREAT....

don't take pot shots at Christianity through George W....

its like basing whether or not you like chinese food from a sucky cook.

Very true. I agree.