High cost of doing drugs.

About a month ago my druggie nephew went to the hospital for cocaine overdose. He was released and supposed to go to some classes but he claimed the classes were only recommended and not required. A week ago he was arrested for failure to appear in court. His dad and brother put up $350 plus their houses to guarantee that he would appear in court on Feb 11. I looked on google and they will lose their houses even if he shows up to court but fails a drug test. Man, that will bite.

I don't see how anybody could put up their house for a druggie who will say or do anything for drugs or to stay out of jail. Their houses only buy him freedom for about 3 weeks. Is it love, pity or stupidity?

Originally posted by old-reb
High cost of doing drugs.

I don't see how anybody could put up their house for a druggie who will say or do anything for drugs or to stay out of jail. Their houses only buy him freedom for about 3 weeks. Is it love, pity or stupidity?

Holy hell. I would say it is love, pity and stupidity or rather than stupidity it is ignorance and naive.

They obviously love their kid, pity the fact that he has messed up and they want to save him. Unfortunately their ignorance about drug use has blinded them to reality.

Someone needs to explain to them that this is no longer their son speaking to them. It is the drugs.... They all need counselling....right now before he destroys all of their lives.

thanks Sal,

I never heard of losing your house for something like this. I think his brother and dad just don't believe they can really lose their house.

The drugee is 45 years old and has been a druggie since high school. He has wrecked many a woman who wanted to tame him.

He has been dried out in prison before. His drug dealer lives down the road but the police can't arrest him.

Originally posted by old-reb
thanks Sal,

I never heard of losing your house for something like this. I think his brother and dad just don't believe they can really lose their house.

The drugee is 45 years old and has been a druggie since high school. He has wrecked many a woman who wanted to tame him.

He has been dried out in prison before. His drug dealer lives down the road but the police can't arrest him.

Well 45 years old kind of changes the picture a tad. I was picturing some young, innocent kid. It is incredibly sad to watch such an individual go down and take those around him down also. Hope things improve. Sounds like his parents will be older too and at a stage where they need to worry about themselves not their kid. Drug addiction is a killer! Like they say, once your kid, always your kid no matter the age.

Good luck to all.... sincerely!

Originally posted by old-reb
I don't see how anybody could put up their house for a druggie who will say or do anything for drugs or to stay out of jail. Their houses only buy him freedom for about 3 weeks. Is it love, pity or stupidity?

Love and stupidity, I guess. Love does make people stupid.

The libertarian part of me says that if someone wants to put up their house for a druggie, let them do it. The more practical side of my wants to know why the government will so happily kick people out of their homes just because some druggie doesn't show up in court. Is society better served by having a couple of people lose their dwellings and a major part of their net worth?

It's funny {odd} how our system works, the druggie is the one with the problem but the people that want to help get to pay the price.

I would also say love and stupidity, but they could love him more if they let him dig his own way out instead of babying him. At his age he needs to learn to pull his own head out of his arse.

greetings mad dog,

The drugie has nothing to lose or so it seems, so they threaten his relatives to lose what they have.

The drugie would lose something too. He has lived in his fathers outback shed for some 20 years. If his dad loses his house, then the drugie has no place to go and no inheritence. Maybe that will sober him up a little.

old reb

This is sad and it does happen alot. I would say the father is still holding some sort of hope for his son. It is a shame that things like this get so far out of control.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Love and stupidity, I guess. Love does make people stupid.

The libertarian part of me says that if someone wants to put up their house for a druggie, let them do it. The more practical side of my wants to know why the government will so happily kick people out of their homes just because some druggie doesn't show up in court. Is society better served by having a couple of people lose their dwellings and a major part of their net worth?

I tried to talk to drugie's brother about "tough" love but he didn't want to hear it now, if he loses his house, I would want to say "tough Luck". But he made his own luck and he would be in pain enough without my two cents.

If he does fail to appear, I'd be willing to bet the government puts way more effort into taking the house than they put into trying to find the druggie.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
If he does fail to appear, I'd be willing to bet the government puts way more effort into taking the house than they put into trying to find the druggie.

I will keep you posted. Court date is Feb 11.

He showed up at court, clean and on time. They cancelled the trial and set a new date of Feb 25. Does that mean he gets to keep the court house? No! It means that his dad's and his brothers house are still hostage until Feb 25.

Originally posted by old-reb
He showed up at court, clean and on time. They cancelled the trial and set a new date of Feb 25. Does that mean he gets to keep the court house? No! It means that his dad's and his brothers house are still hostage until Feb 25.

WEll maybe he "gets it" this time. Let's hope for everyone's sake that he does. Keep us updated.

He showed up on the 25th but was 2 minutes late so they rescheduled him again. Said he was wasting the courts time.

He does landscaping and home repair but will not give a dime to his parents or anybody. All money goes for drugs. He even has a girl friend who drives him around and buys him stuff.

old reb

well it sounds like things are going from bad to worse... sorry about that :(

The drugge is due in court today but as of this morning, he has been missing for 3 days. I hope he shows up today.

His words were, "you know me, I will show up, I would never let anything happen to my dad's and brother's house."

He begged my sister (his mother) to put her house up too but she refused. Good move.

old reb

Originally posted by old-reb
The drugge is due in court today but as of this morning, he has been missing for 3 days. I hope he shows up today.

His words were, "you know me, I will show up, I would never let anything happen to my dad's and brother's house."

He begged my sister (his mother) to put her house up too but she refused. Good move.

If the state actually goes through with taking their homes I think I might become ill.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
If the state actually goes through with taking their homes I think I might become ill.

Thanks for caring Lionel, the drugge suprised everybody when he showed up in court and on time after being missing for four days.

They assigned him a public defender and told him to come back in april.

speedy trial?

old reb

Time to get that bail reduced, and get those homes back under the proper ownership. Eventually that rope the judicial system is playing out will tighten into a noose.

I know I've already said this about five times, but it's still really disturbing that our elected officials would put in place a system that would happily take the homes of upstanding citizens as punishment for the deeds of someone else. I just don't see how that's productive.

I am thinking that the courts just can't take their homes so I do an internet search on confiscating homes and find this article, however, I don't think it really applies to my familys case.


Hundreds of similar home confiscations without trial are taking place every week. To confiscate your home, all police need is a tip from an anonymous informant that a family member or friend once had drugs, pornography, or unregistered guns in your house. Once the accusation is made, they can confiscate your home at their discretion. The burden of proof is then on you to prove that the government's charges are false.

Civil-asset forfeiture is based upon the legal fiction that property — not individuals — is guilty of offenses. That legal fiction enables the government to throw all of your Constitutional rights out the window. Your property — not you — is charged, and property has no presumption of innocence, no right to legal counsel, and no right to trial by jury. Under civil-asset forfeiture, the police can confiscate your "guilty property" without ever charging you with a crime.

If you have a party at your house, and one of your guests gives a single marijuana cigarette to another guest, that is enough for police to confiscate your home. If you own a business and one of your employees uses the company telephones or fax machine to place an illegal, off-track bet, that is enough for the government to confiscate your business.

More and more police chiefs these days are driving around in confiscated Jaguars, BMWs and Mercedes. Confiscated country clubs have been turned into "police training facilities." Confiscated cash and expensive stereos and TVs tend to disappear quickly from police lockers.

It not surprising that civil-asset confiscations are now doubling every year. In 1985, the government seized $27 million in property. In 1992, they seized $1.2 billion. That's an increase of 4,400% in seven years. At the current rate of growth of confiscations, all property in America will belong to the state within seventeen years.


http://www.fff.org/freedom/1193c.asp

Originally posted by old-reb
Thanks for caring Lionel, the drugge suprised everybody when he showed up in court and on time after being missing for four days.

They assigned him a public defender and told him to come back in april.

speedy trial?

old reb

Phew..glad to hear he had the backbone to show up...hope all goes well in April. Would be nice for the whole family if the guy actually decided to straighten out and get some help.

Today he had his day in court and the houses are no longer in danger of being taken by the courts.

I like what the court did. He is on 6 month to 1 year probation and he must have a drug test once a month with a couple of surprise test sprinkled in. If fails the drug test, he goes to jail.

I think it is a good plan.

I'm relieved to hear this situation has turned out well for those who stuck their necks out for him. Must have been a real "kodak-moment" when everyone realized their homes were safe.

thats actually genius of them, has almost renewed my faith in the justice system.

I am glad that all of it worked out well. Hopefully he can straighten out his life during his probation time.

The 40 something druggie is immune to any help from family members to get him off drugs so only the government has the power to help him.

Now for the first time he has the choice of no drugs and freedom or drugs and then jail with no drugs while in jail.

No matter what he chooses, he will be denied his drugs.

old reb

Originally posted by old-reb
Now for the first time he has the choice of no drugs and freedom or drugs and then jail with no drugs while in jail.

I hope he cannot get any drugs during jail (if he chooses that option). In some countries drugs are widely available at jails.
In Spain most inmates get caught in drugs, because they are available and they don't have anything else to do (and almost no consecuences for taking drugs).
I hope he gets clean.

Originally posted by Teddy
I hope he cannot get any drugs during jail (if he chooses that option). In some countries drugs are widely available at jails.
In Spain most inmates get caught in drugs, because they are available and they don't have anything else to do (and almost no consecuences for taking drugs).
I hope he gets clean.

The druggie was in the Federal Pen for a year and came out clean, got a job and a truck until one day he told me that he had his first beer and was it ever good.

The next week he wrecked his truck and lost his job. Then it was back on cocaine.

old-reb

It sounds like a good outcome for all.

The only problem being, I don't think drug addiction or any addiction for that matter can be solved by will power.

The guy needs help to figure out why he needs to disappear into the haze of the drugs. I hope he gets it. Too bad the judge hadn't also ordered him to get mandatory counselling...

But so far, so good! Keep us updated.

Originally posted by ~Sal~
old-reb

It sounds like a good outcome for all.

The only problem being, I don't think drug addiction or any addiction for that matter can be solved by will power.

The guy needs help to figure out why he needs to disappear into the haze of the drugs. I hope he gets it. Too bad the judge hadn't also ordered him to get mandatory counselling...

But so far, so good! Keep us updated.

Counselling was the first thing ordered but he was so loud and argumentive that he was not welcomed by instructor or other druggies.

drugs do cost a shit load...thank god for summer jobs


smoke weed everyday

lol banned already, thats rapid responce for you not even the ipod trolls got shotdown that quick

I just happened to be in the neighborhood & saw that cretin with 5 posts in a row ... this one for smokin' weed, and 4 others promoting some "get rich quick by doing absolutely nothing" sites.

Originally posted by old-reb
The 40 something druggie is immune to any help from family members to get him off drugs so only the government has the power to help him.

Now for the first time he has the choice of no drugs and freedom or drugs and then jail with no drugs while in jail.

No matter what he chooses, he will be denied his drugs.

old reb
I just hope this guy gets his life together and stays clean.

Druggie got put in jail because he entered an ex-girlfriends house without permission. He entered to her family instead of her and they called the law and him being on probation ment Jail.

The county jail has a plan for druggie nephew.

By choice he chose a work release progaram where he stay in jail at night (not at his dads garage) and works days cleaning up after a hurricane. He gets paid $10 an hour and must pay the county $105 a week for rent. Ha, that rent burns his butt more than anything. He think if he makes a buck it goes for drugs.

He quit working but before they put him back in jail he was back working and doing what the bossman says. He went on medothane or what ever so that he doesn't have to spend all his money on coke.

old reb

Sorry to hear about your problems old reb, but it's nice to see you back. :)

I hope everything works out for your nephew.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Sorry to hear about your problems old reb, but it's nice to see you back. :)

I hope everything works out for your nephew.

Thanks Vilepagen,

We gave up on druggie when he was in his early 20's. What I find interesting is how the state is dealing with the problem. I would think that the same treatment is happening all across the country.

Druggie didn't understand the concept of paying rent until the choice was paying rent or going to jail. The county is teaching him new concepts in life and I am loving it.

old reb