http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2005/030205tobekilled.htm

Dop

This one is better:

The Right has a License to Write Anything:
Ward Churchill and the Mad Dogs
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn02052005.html

I've never heard of him. Are the Unabomber's NY Times "articles" fair game too?

You've never heard of the 'New Republic'? You're kidding of course.

Dop

from the excerpts in that article, the guy sounds like an asshole. however, i'd really like to read tom frank's entire article but the New Republic wants to make me subscribe before it lets me.

"You've never heard of the 'New Republic'? You're kidding of course.

Dop"

*****************

Dop, It's Tom Frank I've never heard of. I wouldn't refer to a magazine as "him".

well its not working for this site but for future reference use www.bugmenot.com

these jerk offs will overlook everything to find an article like this. when left wingers write books about killing bush nothing is said. Dop also likes to search for storys of military abuse if far flung newspapers or storys about poor little left wigners getting beat up by militant right wingers. its fucking stupid. yes, some right wingers want to kill and beat up left wingers, and some left wingers want to kill and beat up right wingers, no shit, leave it to dop to compelty ignore everything from the left and sift through every obscure web site in the world to find a story like this. freaking pathetic.

Trav, you once again prove my point that the righties always telegraph the fact they are annoyed with a post and have no realistic, meaningful answer to that post. IOW -- the truth hurts.

You come right out swinging by calling lefties (me) 'jerk offs' in lieu of adding content to the discussion.

Try the other side of the bed tomorrow morning.

Dop

excuse me all to hell dop, but my patience is at an end with you and your hysterical ilk. I cant pretend to be concerned with your crap anymore, because after all this time you have proven that what you say is crap. as long as you pretend all evil in the world is perpetrated by only one side and only post right wing horror storys it will always be crap. all but the most extreme partisans such as yourself, shaman and gorilla actually beleive their side can do no wrong. I know there are right wing nut jobs who are willing to kill to get their point across, can you at least admit the left has its share of the same types, or will you stick to your guns and inisist its only right wingers who would dare threaten death to anyone wo does not agree with them?

Please do provide an example of left wingers write books about killing bush because otherwise its just dilusional heresay.

sift through every obscure web site in the world to find a story like this
The new republic is not obscure by any means. And this article (the one I posted) was written in response to the bullshit that ward churchill has been getting for trying to explain 9-11 to the brainwashed masses and he is calling for peace, not for advocating the death of anyone. We are not talking about the masses we are talking about published writers here. Theres a difference.

Wow Travh. You become more and more of a Bourgeois Reactionary Idiot with every post. (BRI from now on) The military torture was approved by the president or did you miss that nice little internal FBI e-mail that claimed such 21 times...And actually the pro-war assholes here bloodied a 67 year old military veteran for a sign that said "support our troops, bring them home." Ive never seen one example on the left. But then again this isnt some sort of stupid compitition now is it. Its wrong no matter what side does it. I just like how neo-con asshats like to compare bad things to worse things as if it make it OK.

Originally posted by Travh20
these jerk offs will overlook everything to find an article like this. when left wingers write books about killing bush nothing is said. Dop also likes to search for storys of military abuse if far flung newspapers or storys about poor little left wigners getting beat up by militant right wingers. its fucking stupid. yes, some right wingers want to kill and beat up left wingers, and some left wingers want to kill and beat up right wingers, no shit, leave it to dop to compelty ignore everything from the left and sift through every obscure web site in the world to find a story like this. freaking pathetic.

Are you aware that you come off sounding like a nutcase on uppers. Ranting and raveing and telling people what they believe? Considering this is your usuall type of dribble I'm wondering why the intellegent republicans in this group put up with you calling yourself a republican. You make the party look bad.

tell me what I said was made up or wrong echo, or just do all of us a favor and STFU

Originally posted by Travh20
I know there are right wing nut jobs who are willing to kill to get their point across, can you at least admit the left has its share of the same types, or will you stick to your guns and inisist its only right wingers who would dare threaten death to anyone wo does not agree with them?

I agree there are some left wing whack jobs as well -- open-minded as I am.

Dop

Originally posted by Travh20
tell me what I said was made up or wrong echo, or just do all of us a favor and STFU

Trav, there are undoubtedly nutty left-wingers out there, but since you claimed that there are left-wingers who advocate violence against right-wingers, maybe you could cite an example?

Originally posted by Travh20
tell me what I said was made up or wrong echo, or just do all of us a favor and STFU

You said nothing of substance. Merely spewed your ussual hatred towords things you don't understand.

thank you dop

Echo, I think you better go reread some of mr Dops posts so you can judge what I have said in the proper context instead of going on your standard course of calling anyone who disagrees with you or says something you dont approve of scared or stupid

Originally posted by Travh20
these jerk offs will overlook everything to find an article like this. when left wingers write books about killing bush nothing is said.

Could you please name a couple of those books?

For that matter, name just one.

Name one person from the "left" who wrote anything remotely resembling what you claim.

Conversely, if unable to name said writers or said books, I guess you could admit that it is in fact YOU who are the *extreme partisan* guilty of spreading *hysterical crap*, and that you're prone to making whimpering---"Well, them evil librulls do it tooooooo!!!"---- statements that you cannot substantiate.

yea freethinker, you're the poster boy for rational moderates :rolleyes:

Well...I asked politely Trav.

Originally posted by Travh20
yea freethinker, you're the poster boy for rational moderates :rolleyes:

Ok.

Now, if you don't mind, please name a couple of those books you spoke of, where left wingers write about killing *ush.

Do you think the idiot who said those things was completely serious or is it possible he thought it was funny when egged on by the crowd?

Remember Alec Baldwin on Conan O'Brien ("We would stone Henry Hyde to death and we would go to their homes and we’d kill their wives and their children!""

Or how about Craig Kilborn when President Bush was innaugurated the first time putting a crosshair over his face with "Snipers wanted" written below.

Oh, they were only joking.

Originally posted by Brooks

Remember Alec Baldwin on Conan O'Brien ("We would stone Henry Hyde to death and we would go to their homes and we’d kill their wives and their children!""

That is no example at all of what is being claimed.



The Baldwin comment was made specifically in the contect that if this was NOT America, but was nstead a country like Iran, THEN the people in that type of country would stone Henry Hyde to death.

Originally posted by Brooks
Or how about Craig Kilborn when President Bush was innaugurated the first time putting a crosshair over his face with "Snipers wanted" written below.


First, since Kilborn IS a professinal comedian, yeah, he MIGHT have (if it actually happened as you say it did) been kidding. But kidding or not, I would agree with you that there would be NO excuse for such behavior.

Secondly though, Kilborn has not written a book ---per the allegation we're discussing--- mentioning anything about killing *ush.


Thirdly and most importantly, it seems a moot point anyway, as I have searched high and low and cannot find anything to corroborate your claim.

But, by ALL means if you have a source for the **sniper with crosshairs over the face** photo or video, i'd be very anxious to examine it.

Originally posted by Brooks
Do you think the idiot who said those things was completely serious or is it possible he thought it was funny when egged on by the crowd?

Remember Alec Baldwin on Conan O'Brien ("We would stone Henry Hyde to death and we would go to their homes and we’d kill their wives and their children!""

Or how about Craig Kilborn when President Bush was innaugurated the first time putting a crosshair over his face with "Snipers wanted" written below.

Oh, they were only joking.

I haven't been able to read the article in TNR, but if the author was joking all he has to do is say so. That being said, if you watch Conan or Craig Kilbourn, I don't think it's reasonable for you to expect to see anything but comedy. It might be bad comedy, but it is a "joke" nonetheless.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
That being said, if you watch Conan or Craig Kilbourn, I don't think it's reasonable for you to expect to see anything but comedy.

Baldwin was quite serious.

The trouble is that his comment could not by ANY stretch of the imagination be construed as an exhortation for anyone to stone Hyde to death or to harm him or his family in any way.

Baldwin said explicitly that IF the events in question had taken place in OTHER countries, such a thing might well happen.

First off.....

DOP is an idiot for trying to represent an entire party off of extreme idiots WITHIN the party. Yea i dont agree AT ALL with those guys DOP is talking about, but the hint Dop tries to make in entangling me, and all other conservatives to them is downright ludicrous. It really hurts your credibility dop, and it pisses me off at the same time.

Second off.....

Trav said something of pretty good value....why don't you ever post anything that is bad about democrats dop?....what is your agenda? you're obviously trying to smear mud all over the republican party.

Third.....

Echo, your post was the dumbest post i have ever read.....

dop STARTS all this nonsense, Trav answers to it....and here you come saying he's answering things "he doesn't understand".....i think he and I both understand pretty well Echo, and that post you just said is the same thing ive heard coming out of your posts the whole time ive been here.....geez get some new material

And appearently Trav has no answers for my post:
Please do provide an example of
quote - "left wingers write books about killing bush"
because otherwise its just dilusional heresay.

quote:
sift through every obscure web site in the world to find a story like this

The new republic is not obscure by any means. And this article (the one I posted) was written in response to the bullshit that ward churchill has been getting for trying to explain 9-11 to the brainwashed masses and he is calling for peace, not for advocating the death of anyone. We are not talking about the masses we are talking about published writers here. Theres a difference.

As far as I am concerned this isnt a question of who wrote what but what is considered acceptable within each side. I have not heard on public denouncement of this guys endorment of murder based on disagreement from the right.

Originally posted by Decka
First off.....

DOP is an idiot for trying to represent an entire party off of extreme idiots WITHIN the party.



Do me a favor, Decka.

Quote a post in this thread, that you are so irate over, where Dop in any way states or implies that it is to be considered an indictment of the *entire Party* because of what you term --"extreme idiots WITHIN the party".

The only thing i can find in the posts by Dop is where he said -- " RIght wing writer calls for liberals to be killed".

If you follow the link, you will find that claim to be true.

Originally posted by Decka
The hint Dop tries to make in entangling me, and all other conservatives to them is downright ludicrous.

?!?!?!

Quote where Dop **"tried to entangle you and all other conservatives"** to the writer in question.

Originally posted by Decka
Echo, your post was the dumbest post i have ever read.....
dop STARTS all this nonsense, Trav answers to it....and here you come saying he's answering things "he doesn't understand".

I really appreciate your reviewing my posts. I guess it saves you from having to actually write to the subject matter. However, I don't pay attention to movie or book reviewers. Your opinion of my posts is of little concern to me.

If you are interested in becoming a reviewer, you might try something other than “your post was the dumbest post I have ever read....." You have used that on Dop, Freethinker and myself now a number of times. Some new material would help your readership immensely.

Actually, “your post was the dumbest I’ve read” sums it up quite nicely

http://www.tcfrank.com/

he wrote some book?

is that his site?

Originally posted by Freethinker
Do me a favor, Decka.

Quote a post in this thread, that you are so irate over, where Dop in any way states or implies that it is to be considered an indictment of the *entire Party* because of what you term --"extreme idiots WITHIN the party".

The only thing i can find in the posts by Dop is where he said -- " RIght wing writer calls for liberals to be killed".

If you follow the link, you will find that claim to be true.


first off, i'm not irate.....

second look at the whole context of what he wrote....hell the thread is called "Right winger calls for liberals to be killed"......i know dop's personality on this board pretty well, and hey i could be wrong but its pretty obvious that he's just smearing mud. The whole POINT of him bringing it up is an attempt at ridiculing the other side.... Trav said it pretty good before, i think he just follows the idiots out there that happen to call themselves conservatives and writes post after post after post about these people who in no way represent the republican party, hoping that because of all the bad things others read about republicans from this idiot that they might change their mind.....

The problem with that is i'm no idiot, and neither are the other conservatives on here, so him writing all these posts kind of gets annoying. I woudn't mind if he didn't label the extremists the same thing that i am....a republican, a conservative...and just call them an idiot like they are or mention that they ARE an extremist. But to just tell the story is not on dop's agenda...he's gotta spin it a little bit if you noticed...

Bwhahahahahahaa - decka - so lemmie get it straight Dop is just slinging mud because he thinks its wrong to advocate the murder of people you disagree with?

no one on here would agree with killing those who disagree with you gorilla, and dop knows that, he is taking a shot at all conservatives and implying we must all feel like this since this one guy wrote it, and he may actually feel that way. you havent been around long enough to see som eof dops classic posts about our troops in iraq being racists and bullys and theocrats and so on and so forth. DOp is not just saying this one guy is wrong, make no mistaks about it, this is a shot at everyone on the right.

What the heck is this? Pick on Dop week or what?

Crimmineys ... I take a 5 week vacation and notice while I'm gone that things are getting a little boring (lurking) ... when one of our most prolific, talented and enjoyable posters like OD does his opus, ya know it's time to spice it up.

So I jump back in the debate, which I know you all missed, and next thing ya know you're coming down on my character like waterproof on a frog.

Don't like what I say ... debate me.

And I don't hate all conservatives -- my religion doesn't allow for hate -- we've been over this before.

Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing

Don't like what I say ... debate me.

And I don't hate all conservatives -- my religion doesn't allow for hate -- we've been over this before.

Dop

its not what you say, its what you imply.... if you don't hate all conservatives...then don't be so vague on your posts. The way you come off makes it seem like your taking pot shots at the republicans, if thats your intention, then you are an idiot, but yet these people who you dig up do not AT ALL represent the republican party, but if you go by your posts all conservatives are bible-thumping murderers who only like to kill people.......

I know decka that you would like to think those people I dig up don't represent the conservatives ... but they do ... at least the neocons ... maybe not the paleocons.

Bottom line is your party has been hijacked by a bunch of hate-filled whack jobs led by hate-radio and emboldened by the gop majority in both houses, SCOTUS and the white house.

There is little doubt in my mind that given the chance, most neocons would kill liberals without blinking an eye.

If you and your party don't condone their hate-filled messages, then you need to publically condemn them and distance yourself from them.

And I meant it when I said I don't hate conservatives as a general rule....

Richard Nixon was one of my favorite presidents ... he did what he advertised, his ego-tripping Watergate scandal notwithstanding.

He said he's end the war in Viet Nam and he did that and brought home the POW/MIA's best he could.

He gave the 18 year old the right to vote.

He improved relations with China.

He did what he said he would do not tell us one story to get elected and then do the exact opposite blanketed with blatant lies ...like some people in office now.

Sides ... I always thought his daughter was cute and had great legs. ROTF.

Dop

STOP THE PRESSES, HOLD THE THREAD

When Harmony Row linked this guy's book I remembered who he was. He is a left winger. He was on Laura Ingraham's show and got in a shouting match with her. His "Kansas" book is about how his home state is going right and he doesn't like it.

This is from a synopsis of his book: "What we are observing, then, is a populist movement that has done irreversible harm to the material interests of the common people it professes to love so tenderly-a form of class animosity that rages against a shadowy "elite" while enthroning a new aristocracy of bankers, brokers, and corporate thieves. "
http://www.tcfrank.com/
That doesn't sound like a right wing writer to me.

Guerilla writes: "I have not heard on public denouncement of this guys endorment of murder based on disagreement from the right."
Dop writes: "If you and your party don't condone their hate-filled messages, then you need to publically condemn them and distance yourself from them."

Since he's actually a liberal, who should be denouncing him. ha ha ha

Originally posted by Freethinker

Thirdly and most importantly, it seems a moot point anyway, as I have searched high and low and cannot find anything to corroborate your claim.

But, by ALL means if you have a source for the **sniper with crosshairs over the face** photo or video, i'd be very anxious to examine it.

My slight error. No crosshairs, just the phrase "Snipers Wanted" Wasn't actually that hard to Google.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/kilborn1.html

Originally posted by Decka
first off, i'm not irate.....

?!?!?

No?!?!?!

You stated in the post that you were "pissed off". You called him an *idiot*

How can you now claim that you were not irate!?!?

Originally posted by Decka
second, look at the whole context of what he wrote....hell the thread is called "Right winger calls for liberals to be killed".....

Which is a simple declarative statement, and a true one.

You criticized him specifically for what he has said in this thread.

IF he had made a comment such as --"Look at how all these Rightwingers think!" ---you'd have a point.

He made no such comment or implication.

Originally posted by Decka
.i know dop's personality on this board pretty well, and hey i could be wrong but its pretty obvious that he's just smearing mud.

Maybe he is.

But your specific allegation was that he had **"tried to entangle you and all other conservatives"** to the writer in question.

Quote where he said or implied it.

Originally posted by Decka
The whole POINT of him bringing it up is an attempt at ridiculing the other side.... Trav said it pretty good before, i think he just follows the idiots out there that happen to call themselves conservatives and writes post after post after post about these people who in no way represent the republican party

What?!

A Rightwing author, published in the New Republic magazine, invited to sit in on a panel discussing the war, yet he does not in any way represent a Republican way of looking at the world?!?!?

What gall you have to display such intellectual dishonesty.


Originally posted by Decka
I woudn't mind if he didn't label the extremists the same thing that i am...

Where has he done that in this thread?

Well....i guess if they still want to talk about, my beef with this thread is over if what brooks says is true.....that the guy is a liberal.

And here comes Freethinker to nit-pick lol......


Originally posted by Freethinker
?!?!?

No?!?!?!

You stated in the post that you were "pissed off". You called him an *idiot*

How can you now claim that you were not irate!?!?


and the nit-picking begins.....

there's a big difference in being "pissed off" and being irate. Irate is much more up the madness scale....and i dont have to be even pissed off to call someone an idiot.

Originally posted by Freethinker
?!?!?
Which is a simple declarative statement, and a true one.

You criticized him specifically for what he has said in this thread.

IF he had made a comment such as --"Look at how all these Rightwingers think!" ---you'd have a point.

He made no such comment or implication.


yea.....him starting this thread had NOTHING to do with the fact that the guy was a supposed conservative :rolleyes: *rolls eyes

Originally posted by Freethinker
?!?!?
Maybe he is.

But your specific allegation was that he had **"tried to entangle you and all other conservatives"** to the writer in question.

Quote where he said or implied it.


he called the guy a right-winger, grouping me with the idiot. There's really no reason to bring up that article unless you want to try to smear some mud.....



What?!

A Rightwing author, published in the New Republic magazine, invited to sit in on a panel discussing the war, yet he does not in any way represent a Republican way of looking at the world?!?!?

What gall you have to display such intellectual dishonesty.
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LOL..how naive of you think that some idiot who wants to kill liberals represents the republican party....

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
I know decka that you would like to think those people I dig up don't represent the conservatives ... but they do


and that is your opinion....remember that.....

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing

Bottom line is your party has been hijacked by a bunch of hate-filled whack jobs led by hate-radio and emboldened by the gop majority in both houses, SCOTUS and the white house.


if you substitued "your party" with "politics".....i might agree with you.....but hey look at mr. bias at it again, blaming all of the bad things in politics on one side....

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing

There is little doubt in my mind that given the chance, most neocons would kill liberals without blinking an eye.


yea, and i bet many hard-core libbys would kill a conservative too....all those crazy loons out there who tie themselves to trees and think killing an ant is just like killing a human. You really do see things one way don't ya dop?

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing

If you and your party don't condone their hate-filled messages, then you need to publically condemn them and distance yourself from them.


Hey, do i like how politicians work? absolutely not, i think they lie, they only want money, and they can be bought. That being said, i still agree with the conservative themes. Obviously you havn't denounced being a liberal despite all of the dirty tactics your party used and was caught on during the election...and all the other nonsense.
Originally posted by Lungdop Philing

And I meant it when I said I don't hate conservatives as a general rule....


ill see it when i beleive it
Originally posted by Lungdop Philing

Richard Nixon was one of my favorite presidents ... he did what he advertised, his ego-tripping Watergate scandal notwithstanding.

He said he's end the war in Viet Nam and he did that and brought home the POW/MIA's best he could.

He gave the 18 year old the right to vote.

He improved relations with China.

He did what he said he would do not tell us one story to get elected and then do the exact opposite blanketed with blatant lies ...like some people in office now.

Sides ... I always thought his daughter was cute and had great legs. ROTF.


Nixon was okay....i wasn't old enough to check out his daughter.....hmmmm *internet search*....

*search: "Richard Nixon's daughter"*.....

*searching*........

Originally posted by Decka
...him starting this thread had NOTHING to do with the fact that the guy was a supposed conservative :rolleyes: *rolls eyes

It probably had much to do with it.

But you continue to obfuscate and slither away when asked to provide a specific claim by Dop in this thread where he attempts to link you and every other rightwing person to the specific views voiced by the writer in question.

Originally posted by Decka
he called the guy a right-winger, grouping me with the idiot.

He seems to be relegated to the position of "idiot" and "extremeist" only because he has said something you don't have any way of defending.

The writer in question is without a doubt a rightwinger.

So are you.

But that does NOT equate to your also having been accused --as the writer in question did-- of talking about killing liberals.

Try to think in a logical and consistent manner for once.....sheesh.

Originally posted by Freethinker

The writer in question is without a doubt a rightwinger.



Yeah real rightwinger, Free. Here's a line from a book review:

“This is the true story of how conservatives punk'd a nation. Tom Frank has stripped the right-wing hustle to its core: It is bread and circuses-only without bread."


Decka, I hope you like tap dancing. Sit back and enjoy the show.

Wow you guys are really idiots. One of you says its true so it must be? Did you even take any time what-so-ever to investigate whether its the same guy or did you just shit your pants with glee when you heard liberal I ahevnt even checked and I can tell you right now its not the same guy but wait....
http://www.google.com/search?q=tom+frank+new+republic&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
That took all of 30 seconds of looking. Notice the fourth entry down.

This is the problem with you guys. Youre a bunch of bandwagon assholes who make assumptions and then yell at people about them without ever taking the time to do even a cursory check up on the information. In one ear and out the mouth. Youre nothing but glorified bullhorns. You idol coulter just got cought pulling the same stupid shit, making stuff up to try and make her point (go to the coulter thread to see it) and refusing to back down even when she was talking to someone obviously far more knowledgable than she.

I switched boards because I was tired of wasting my time on assholes that never listen. When I first started posting here I thought it would be different. No bullshit sqaubbles over semantics, people would actually know what they were talking about or at least investigate their claims. Nope. Same old shit, different boards.

Originally posted by Brooks
Yeah real rightwinger, Free. Here's a line from a book review:

“This is the true story of how conservatives punk'd a nation. Tom Frank has stripped the right-wing hustle to its core: It is bread and circuses-only without bread."

I stand corrected, Brooks.

You're right. I got it wrong.

Tom Franks, on that one occasion, turned into a Republican for some reason........and i erroneously assumed he was a Rightie.

I should have said --"Tom Franks made some remarks that were decidely rightwing in tone".

I still maintain that Dop has not ---contrary to what Decka has alleged--- tried to tie any person on these boards to the remarks concerning killing liberals.

No Free, Hold the apology and read the prior post. It might be two different guys. Damn, I was so happy, too.

Ya know what Gureilla, What you call semantics is usually someone backing off their original statement and getting mad when they're held to it.

Originally posted by Brooks
No Free, Hold the apology and read the prior post. It might be two different guys. Damn, I was so happy, too.

I'm fairly sure it was the same person.

You called it correctly.

I --like a doofus-- jumped to a conclusion without checking things out first. I deserve the egg that's on my face.

FT - no it is not the same person. Doesnt it occur to you that a whole helluva lot of people are probably named tom franks.

So hes a right wing commentator a left wing commentator and a general in the army. That one helluva guy...

Never concede unless you are presented with evidence or a logical arguement. neither of which were presented here.

And thanks brroks for admitting such. However no one should have to babysit other members on this board. Dont just believe something because someone says its true. If it doesnt sound quite right look it up yourself and if you cant find anything on it ask the person for a link. Just remember not to abuse this by asking for a link from everyone all the time. Look yourself first.

My whole point is think for your goddamn self. The only way to do this is to listen to as many viewpoints as possible then make a decision. But also make sure what youre hearing isnt blatant propaganda either.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
FT - no it is not the same person. Doesnt it occur to you that a whole helluva lot of people are probably named tom franks.
.

Sorry, but i think he is.

http://www.tnr.com/showBio.mhtml?pid=585&sa=1

T.A. Frank
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No he is not and what you posted is what we already know. He writes for TNC.

Of all the things to concede to, you could at least do it when its factual.

What Ward Churchill Didn't Say: (It's the Singer...Not the Song)
http://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/full_article/mickeyz02092005/
---snip----

"What is necessary is cruel and strong reactions. We need precision in time, place, and casualties...we must strike mercilessly, women and children included. Otherwise, the reaction is inefficient. At the place of action, there is no need to distinguish between guilty and innocent."

Actually, not only do I not have any “sources,” but that quote does not come courtesy of the reigning bogeyman...it’s a January 1, 1948 diary entry by one of Israel’s founding fathers, David Ben-Gurion (talking about the Palestinians, of course.)

---snip---

Ward Churchill didn’t say this: “There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire.” That was John F. Kerry and he was still
considered soft
---snip---

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
No he is not and what you posted is what we already know. He writes for TNC.


I like you 500, but you are for some reason, I think, losing track of who is who.

The same Tom Franks who is a writer-researcher for TNR, and who is usually a liberal person, is the SAME person who (http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2005/2/6/305214.html) wrote the artcle **Ball Fake** [please follow the link above] where he describes how he went to a gathering by the name of "Town Hall: Empire and Resistance" and --uncharacterisitcially or him--- made some remarks that made his SEEM to be coming fron the Right........he is the same person who made the remarks at that place the original post of this thread references, where he spoke about killing Arundhati Roy.

You still have yet to show me one link saying that they are the same person. As of right now its just here-say by someone who wasnt even discussing on this thread. I have provided a link that show a couterpunch article that says they are 2 different people and I havent once found CP to be erroneous with their stories.

So if you can show me that they are one in the same, please do. But as of now all evidence (what little we have) points to the opposite.