http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/11028/index.html

This proves 2 things ...

They truly are afraid of Hillary and the swift boat vets were liars.

ROTFLMAO

Dop

LOL, swiftboat wannabees, thats good. I guess real swift boat guys serve 1/4 of their tour then get out of the service on a technicallity after 3 wounds that required exatly zero days in the hospital.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing

This proves 2 things .......and the swift boat vets were liars.

Dop

How?

Originally posted by Brooks
How?

Yeah, how?

http://www.wstm.com/Global/story.asp?S=2909382

Rangle hints at Hillary run ...

Dop

Which Hillary, the one from 2 years ago or the one that is now in favor of faith based initiatives and calls abortion a "tragic choice".

If you weren't afraid of her you wouldn't be trashing her. Unless of course you are just one of theose immature people that trashes others to make themselves feel good.

I don't know to whom you are referring, but if it's me, how have I trashed her?

dont let their pathetic labels scare you brooks, the left wingers always say your afraid of something if you dont support it. look at the gay marriage thing, since we are agaisnt it we must be afraid of homosexuals somehow. its a tired old lib tactic that really should have been put out to pasture by now, kind of like hildabeast

Originally posted by Echo2
If you weren't afraid of her you wouldn't be trashing her.

Well echo you trash us republicans all the time so YOU must be afraid of me...lol

Quite right you are. I am afraid of the right wing putting its religious agendas into law, I am afraid of their propensity towards wars. I am afraid of them trashing the Declaration of Independence. I am afraid of their ability to draw the ignorant into their fold of sheople. I am afraid of their well organized and tax payer funded propaganda machine.

You bet I’m afraid. Anyone in their right mind would be. The right wing is corporate driven. They are similar to the aristocrats in France before the revolution in 1879. "Screw the people. We get everything."

If I didn’t fear their agenda I wouldn’t fight against it so hardily.

I dont know if its possible to put every cliche and stereotype about conservative into one paragraph but that was pretty darn close

Originally posted by Echo2
Quite right you are. I am afraid of the right wing putting its religious agendas into law, I am afraid of their propensity towards wars. I am afraid of them trashing the Declaration of Independence. I am afraid of their ability to draw the ignorant into their fold of sheople.
You bet I’m afraid.

Excellent post, Echo.

Those sentiments were captured very well by what William Cook, professor of English in California, said in his article at the counterpunch website.


"Fanatics have a way, whether they be the Imams guiding Hamas or the robed ministers of Robertson's TV Club or the ultra right Zionists in Israel, with those who abdicate responsibility to think for themselves, those who hand over their minds and conscience to them as they thunder their prophetic curses in dramatic tirades, bathing their flocks in fear and loathing. These fanatics in America, who exist through the courtesy of a democratic secular system that tolerates their presence if not their message, fetter the minds of their laity with absolute truths generated out of myths, negating thereby the very semblance of democratic thought that is premised on individual responsibility; and the lambs they lead to slaughter do not know it. These fanatics defy the laws of the secular state by determining for their congregations what political party they must support, what candidates they must vote for, and what policies they must accept".

can we get that suicide smiley now please? a fter reading that I feel like shooting myself

Happy days are here again. I'll buy your ammunition. Heck, I'll even pay for your funeral.

no thanks, i would prefer you stay as far away as possible, I wouldnt want you attacking the pastor giving the service with an axe

I didn't say I'd attend the service, just pay for it. I don't come within 500 yards of religious buildings. It always seems to start a thunderstorm. LOL

Anyway Echo, what did I say to trash Hilary.

And Free, while you're patting Echo on the back for saying she is afraid of the religious agenda, we just had an entire thread where neither of you could specifically spell out its negative impact.

Keep repeating the cliches.

Originally posted by Brooks
while you're patting Echo on the back for saying she is afraid of the religious agenda, we just had an entire thread where neither of you could specifically spell out its negative impact.

The thread did not concern the religious agenda per se, but what Bush's own religious convictions meant for the rest of us......and I thought it was spelled out quite clearly.

An English professor, far more articulate than I, laid it out in no uncertain terms.....he made the case very well, and I happen to agree with what he said.

Here is its negative impact spelled out----

""We Americans pay the bill; they act in our name. How can we, who speak with the conviction of our conscience, hope to remove the hatred a Hagee or a Robertson breeds against God's creatures? I saw pictures today of dead and dying children in Iraq, pictures too horrific to be put in main stream newspapers or shown on TV.....these are the innocent victims of our fanatical dependence on the preaching of these men who sit safely ensconced on their splendid chairs amidst tall vases of flowers, smiling beatifically for the cameras.""

Originally posted by Freethinker
""We Americans pay the bill; they act in our name. How can we, who speak with the conviction of our conscience, hope to remove the hatred a Hagee or a Robertson breeds against God's creatures? I saw pictures today of dead and dying children in Iraq, pictures too horrific to be put in main stream newspapers or shown on TV.....these are the innocent victims of our fanatical dependence on the preaching of these men who sit safely ensconced on their splendid chairs amidst tall vases of flowers, smiling beatifically for the cameras.""

so what is that saying.....americans are greedy.....NO SHIT SHERLOCK......

what does dying children in iraq have to do with a religious agenda? Would these kids NOT be dying otherwise?

And to reply to echo's "republican stereotype" rant.....

I'm afraid, because you are so afriad of these made up things...and you'll go out and be so active on a load of BS....but thats my opinion.

And about this whole "sheeple" thing....echo its has NO effectiveness. You've said it about 500 times, and every time i laugh because YOU are the one who talks about "brainwashing" and "sheeple"....and yet you never consider yourself do you?...."Oh, well i'm just right, how could I be wrong??".....lol. And the fact that you are so quick to bolt to the libby side on EVERY occasion and are obscessed with smearing and denouncing bush is a pretty good sign that you might be well in the pasture of the liberals......

Originally posted by Decka

what does dying children in iraq have to do with a religious agenda? Would these kids NOT be dying otherwise?

Evidently the fact that Bush has made this entire conflict a matter of us --the good and "godly" folk-- against the "evil Muslims" has escaped your notice. He even went so far as to call it a *crusade*.

But the crux of the matter is that the American populace is steeped in the superstition [IOW, the religion] that people believing in other gods are "evil" or "sinful".

More people have been killed in the name of some god or other than any other reason on Earth.....and the US is ---regretably--- incurably infected with the religious mind virus.