Just had a quick thought,

The bible is a culmination of loads of peoples views and things about God and Jesus etc, my question is, when did they stop accepting peoples views and basically mass it alltogether into the bible.

Because there has been loads and loads of people all saying they have witnessed God in some extreme circumstance, some saying they have sat with Jesus as he came to them.

Why can these peoples accounts be added to the back of the bible, since they hold as much credit as those back in the day did?

Regards
ryan

Very very very good point loki, I dont know what i believe and what i dont but that does make sense!!!

Do you know someone at the Turtle called me Loki, its alright on here but weird when they say it in reallife.

Losers!!!!!!

I only use it on hear in case you dont want people to know your real name, After all i know you like to think of yourself as an international man of mystery lol

No, i would just feel gay callin you that.

Anyway back to relgion,

Its all a crock of shit right??

I shake my head when I read these messages regarding religion, simply because I feel that some people really don't believe in any religion and just want to post mean replys to the people that do believe, and are searching for facts and answers.
But that is just my opinion, and we all are intitled to them.

Maybe this book will help.
It is called "Don't Know Much About the Bible.-" Written by- Kenneth C. Davis. One of the most lucid, important, and worthwhile books of this or any year. Here is a book for the dawn of the Third Millennium.

This is not Mama's Bible filled with begets and begats-it is colorful, entertaining, and filled with incredible facts.

Do yourself a favor-read the book.

The Bible ends with the commandment to not add nor take away from the Bible.

I don't think there is anything wrong with someone discussing their personal expierences, but adding them to the Bible would be wrong.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ucanbe2
[B]I shake my head when I read these messages regarding religion, simply because I feel that some people really don't believe in any religion and just want to post mean replys to the people that do believe, and are searching for facts and answers.
But that is just my opinion, and we all are intitled to them.
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I view these discussions more as a debate than people trying to be mean.
How else can progress in learning be accomplished.
Sure, some are more tactful than others, but that is individual personalities at work.
The discussion of man's religious beliefs(or lack of) is the very basis of a part of mans progression.
History shows that progress is based upon the tearing down of the old and the building of the new.
Buildings, concepts, and beliefs become outdated and are torn down to make way for a more modern form. In concepts and beliefs the more modern form can be more believable and more easily accepted by new generations of people.
Change is necessary for continued existance. Debate, sharing of information and new ideas are usually the beginning of change.
Man's ability to comprehend is ever increasing. Comprehension of mans own abilities is the true natural evolution.
Once full comprehension is accomplished we will realize that we are Gods in our own right.
Mental progress, debate and the sharing of knowledge is the path.

That makes more sense to me thanks
I know that most people that own a Bible, have never looked at a Bible despite insisting that it is important. I think it is because it is hard to understand. Its confusing, its contradictory. Its a book people praise, but don't read. The bible certainly has phenomenal sales prove. It holds a special place in nearly every country in the world.
It is clear that people of nearly every nation remain fascinated by the Bible and its rich treasury of stories and lesson.
To many of us, it is still the "Greatest Story Ever Told." Most people simply never learned anything at all about a book that has influenced the course of human history more than the Bible.

I will remain fascinated.

Have a great day.

"The Bible" (which means "The Book") is not reallyone book. All the "books" of the Bible were actually seperate books at one point. During early Chritianity the books of the Bible we use now as well as many other booke were being used by Christians. They had a summit to decide which books were legit and which would excluded from "The Bible". There are the Dead Sea Scrolls, too (similar to the excluded books).

Also, the Book of Mormon is like a sequal to the Gospels. I am not very familiar with the material in it but it claims that Jesus came to America before it was called America and kicked it with the Natives (I think).

The Bible was decided on by that comittee and it will not be added to, but there are all kinds of religios literature you can feed your head with!

The Bible ends with the commandment to not add nor take away from the Bible.
Holy shit, I didn't know that. So does this work for all who follow the rewritten one or just the first person who did it? If it's all, then you're all screwed.

Loki, good thought. There have been alot of folks that have had strange things happen in the name of Jesus. Why can't they write their stories? What about the folks that have physical things happen to them for no real reason, holes in hand feet, cuts on head etc..... If I believed in this religion it would seem that these stories would be sort of important? If there was/is a true holy book then would the story of the world {and God} stop, or should it be reported year after year until the end of time? How can society learn when there is no modern teachings/stories? The Bible{if it truley is GODS word} should be a never ending story JMO.

Originally posted by ucanbe2
I shake my head when I read these messages regarding religion, simply because I feel that some people really don't believe in any religion and just want to post mean replys to the people that do believe, and are searching for facts and answers.
But that is just my opinion, and we all are intitled to them.

searching for facts and answers.,.,,.,., aren't we all searching in one way or another? I'm sure you are correct there are a couple of trouble makers, but for the most part we usually do have interesting threads. Don't let a few bad apples spoil your thoughts about this forum.


Maybe this book will help.
It is called "Don't Know Much About the Bible.-" Written by- Kenneth C. Davis.

The problem with reading another book is that you don't get a chance to discuss personal thoughts. It interesting to post here because if a person claims something they usually have to give a reason why they feel that way{except jere :D {just kidding}

Originally posted by mad dog
Don't let a few bad apples spoil your thoughts about this forum.


I wouldnt be surprised if that meant me, I need to be more tactile in my approach of a subject that means so much to so many people, and like they with me, need to at some point go, "Ok you feel this way about this point and i feel differently, New question"

I was not thinking of you when I posted, nobody in general. I do understand now to many books would just bring more confusion.
Thanks for letting us post and ponder.

Originally posted by Blibblob
The Bible ends with the commandment to not add nor take away from the Bible.
Holy shit, I didn't know that. So does this work for all who follow the rewritten one or just the first person who did it? If it's all, then you're all screwed.


Retranslated and rewritten are two very different things.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Retranslated and rewritten are two very different things.
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So many rewrites in different languages by many different people would result in an addition or subtraction.

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
I wouldnt be surprised if that meant me, I need to be more tactile in my approach of a subject that means so much to so many people, and like they with me, need to at some point go, "Ok you feel this way about this point and i feel differently, New question"

NOPE; I think for the most part you have brought up good threads/post.

I also think we all get a little blunt at times but I have not figured out how to punch in emotion when typing :)

Back to the original thought which stories should {if allowed} be put into the Bible?

Actually the Catholic bible has more chapters than the King James version which is used by most Protestant churches.

And some claim that there have been chapters removed...anyone else heard that?

Originally posted by ~Sal~
Actually the Catholic bible has more chapters than the King James version which is used by most Protestant churches.

And some claim that there have been chapters removed...anyone else heard that?
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Watching a special on the history channel last night(Sunday) on who wrote the bible was quite informative.
The Bible scholars said that when the Bible was compiled into one work, a few hundred years after the death of Christ, there was much squabble about what manuscripts would be included and which left ones would be left out. The Bible we see today is pretty well the composition, but certain writings were definitely left out.
One was the St. Thomas they said because the Gnostics were in control of it at the time of the canonization and were in hidding because of persecution.

Also, keep in mind that after the writings were compiled into one book these guys are the ones that included at the end the part about not adding or subtracting from it.

For a few thousand years there was no Bible. Only various writings existed. These writings increased as time went by.
Only Holy places contained the writings because copies were expensive and done by scribes. No methods of mass copies existed for many years.
When the Bible was first compiled into one work 50 copies were ordered and paid for by the King, I believe it said Charlemaign.
The King James version came at a later date.

One was the St. Thomas they said because the Gnostics were in control of it at the time of the canonization and were in hidding because of persecution.

Thanks for that info Dan. Numerous people have told me I should read up on the Gnostics...gotta get to that some time.

Funny about the actually physicality of reproducing the bible... I kind of forget every now and then that is was all beautifully hand scribed.

The King James version would have had to come after Henry broke from the church because they would not give him his divorce???????????? Hmmmmm, maybe that had nothing to do with it.

These topics really make me aware of my level of ignorance historically speaking... (well otherwise too) ;)

Originally posted by ~Sal~

These topics really make me aware of my level of ignorance historically speaking... (well otherwise too) ;)

I feel that, I cant post in 70% of the Topics due to me not having a clue about them, and the other 30% its not exactly powerful moving debate kind of stuff so yeah. Its a shit.

I have also watch some shows about the Bible on THC, TLC, etc...they are interesting.

There have also been things lost because of who was in power at a certain time, fires, thieves, etc....We also can't forget about all the different ways it has been interpretated through the years.

Yes, when the great library at Alexandria was destroyed many great works were lost forever. A sad day indeed.