Before I write this, I want to say that I believe both Christianity and Islam are intended to be peaceful religions. Now having said that...

Many many times I hear liberals talk bad about Christianity and how it is dangerous and yadda yadda yadda. You ask them why they think that and they point to the Crusades, pedophile priests, etc. Of course these things are not representative of what Christ stood for, yet these people base their opinions of the religion itself on these extreme actions.

Then on the other hand, these same people jumped up as soon as 9/11 went down to remind everyone that these extremists were not representative of Islam and that Islam is a truly peaceful religion.

Why the double standard?

Also along the same lines, I remember when I was in Junior High we spent a long time in Social Studies learning about Islam and the Koran. This is fine with me, but it seems odd because I can gaurantee that if we also learned about the Bible and Christianity the liberals and the ACLU would be picketting.

Originally posted by DaveTooner
Before I write this, I want to say that I believe both Christianity and Islam are intended to be peaceful religions. Now having said that...

Many many times I hear liberals talk bad about Christianity and how it is dangerous and yadda yadda yadda. You ask them why they think that and they point to the Crusades, pedophile priests, etc. Of course these things are not representative of what Christ stood for, yet these people base their opinions of the religion itself on these extreme actions.

The only thing I feel could be dangerous about religion is if our government started forming laws based on Christian tenets. It's not that far fetched -- if the Christian Coalition had its way that's how it would be. This sort of governing would make us no better than the Taliban, which was ran on greed and radical Muslim beliefs.

Besides, one of the reasons the original English settlers came to America was to flee the state religion of England.

Originally posted by DaveTooner
Then on the other hand, these same people jumped up as soon as 9/11 went down to remind everyone that these extremists were not representative of Islam and that Islam is a truly peaceful religion.

Why the double standard?

Also along the same lines, I remember when I was in Junior High we spent a long time in Social Studies learning about Islam and the Koran. This is fine with me, but it seems odd because I can gaurantee that if we also learned about the Bible and Christianity the liberals and the ACLU would be picketting.

I don't believe there is a double standard. Of course, what do I know? I'm just a liberal... Dave's the one who really knows how ALL liberals think.

Originally posted by J_Lively
Of course, what do I know? I'm just a liberal... Dave's the one who really knows how ALL liberals think.
LOL! I've never really understood those who say they know all about something, when they have never been a part of it and don't really understand it. Both major political parties (not just the conservatives) do it, and most denominations of Christianty do it as well, only to atheists/agnostics.

Please please PLEASE, and not just Dave, if you don't really know that much about something, don't just reply for the sake of replying or to save face, just admit you don't know what the hell you're talking about and move on. I will never put all the Republicans in a little box and say that they all fit. But Dave shoves us in this little box and says, "You are a liberal, therefore, you belong in this tiny 'liberal ideas' box."

Oy vey.

In my World Civilizations class in the 10th grade we often spoke of Christianity. It played a major role in early civilizations and continues to do so. We discussed important Christian dates or people but nothing past that. In the United States most people are Christians. I think schools would rather spend time teaching children about other religions that are predominate outside the United States.

Remember school system are only given 180 days to teach. In this time they cant please everyone. I would of liked to further my knowledge on certain religions.

I’m growing very tired of your misconceptions of Liberalism. You should further educate your self on this subject. You look unintelligent when you make misconceptions that are incorrect.

Hey, I never said all liberals were the same. I just said that the people who do what I mentioned are almost always liberals. Get a grip.

I read your previous post and you never stated almost all liberals were what you mentioned. You said if we began learning about Christianity in a school setting the liberals and ACLU would be picketing. You just categorized every liberal when you said “the liberals”. Be more careful with how your word your sentences.

Please don’t tell me to get a grip when you’re the whom makes misconceptions of my self and every liberal. If I called you something your not you would not like that. I don’t like the fact you assume every liberal is a certain way.

Originally posted by ConfusedYouth
I read your previous post and you never stated almost all liberals were what you mentioned. You said if we began learning about Christianity in a school setting the liberals and ACLU would be picketing. You just categorized every liberal when you said “the liberals”. Be more careful with how your word your sentences.

Please don’t tell me to get a grip when you’re the whom makes misconceptions of my self and every liberal. If I called you something your not you would not like that. I don’t like the fact you assume every liberal is a certain way.

Oh please. If you are trying to tell me that most liberals wouldn't be upset if public schools taught Christianity, you are more seperated from reality than I thought.

And now you have made a broad generalization by saying I misconcieve EVERY liberal. Do you know every liberal? I just can't believe you would make a generalization like that!
:rolleyes:

Oh please. If you are trying to tell me that most liberals wouldn't be upset if public schools taught Christianity, you are more seperated from reality than I thought.

Most of the more Liberal people I have met are Christians. You seem to assume all Liberals are one way. Thing is wrong. You really need to further educate your self on Liberalism.

And now you have made a broad generalization by saying I misconcieve EVERY liberal. Do you know every liberal? I just can't believe you would make a generalization like that!

I never said I knew every Liberal. I said you’re making misconceptions on Liberalism. I said every Liberal is not the way you judge them to be. You put words into my mouth.

Most of the more Liberal people I have met are Christians. You seem to assume all Liberals are one way. Thing is wrong. You really need to further educate your self on Liberalism.

So? A lot of them would still be upset. You think that every Christian is in favor of learning about the Bible in school??? Stop making generalizations!!!!

I never made a generalization. You state Liberals would be upset if we learned about Christianity inside school. This is wrong. You make it sound like all Liberals are against Christianity being taught in school. We’re do you get your information that states most Liberals would be upset? This seems like another generalization on your part.

Most would. See, unlike you, I don't have to get my opinions from documented "studies" "surveys" or "fact sheets." It is simply a well known fact that those who oppose Christianity in schools are in GENERAL liberals. For instance, the ACLU, the biggest liberal think tank on the planet, tried to sue a school for having a sign that said "God Bless America"

Never once did I say there are not exceptions.

When did the ACLU begin to represent every Liberal? You only talk about one paticular group of Liberals. As I have said in previous post most Liberals I know are Christians. Only a small percentage of Liberals oppose of Christianity at all. I have met Liberals all over the world. The vast majority of Liberals I’ve met would not mind Christianity being taught in school environment. The only concern is that a teacher would use the time to “preach” rather than teach Christianity.

Good grief, debating this with you is pointless. No matter how many times I say that I'm not talking about "every liberal" you come back saying I am. This is ridiculous. Just forget it. Geez.

You said MOST Liberals would be against Christianity being taught in public schools. This is not true. Only a small percentage of Liberals would be against Christianity being taught in school. Most Liberals would not care.

I think you are totally wrong, but we'll just leave it at this.

Dave,

You posted:

"Before I write this, I want to say that I believe both Christianity and Islam are intended to be peaceful religions. Now having said that..."

Might it be suggested that your statement indicate a lack of knowledge of Islam.

Islam is a warriors code. Its foundation rests on the teaching of and belief in violence.

Tentmaker

Originally posted by Tentmaker
Dave,

You posted:

"Before I write this, I want to say that I believe both Christianity and Islam are intended to be peaceful religions. Now having said that..."

Might it be suggested that your statement indicate a lack of knowledge of Islam.

Islam is a warriors code. Its foundation rests on the teaching of and belief in violence.

Tentmaker

Well, I will admit that I only know what i've heard from other people about Islam. However, if I didn't put that "disclaimer" there the liberals may have accused me of saying it was a "dangerous" religion or something. You must understand, when dealing with liberals you have to make some attempt at being politically correct or else you will get nowhere.

Dave,

I hardly a person who kowtows to such beings. Their accusations are met with a frontal assualt.

Tentmaker

Originally posted by DaveTooner
However, if I didn't put that "disclaimer" there the liberals may have accused me of saying it was a "dangerous" religion or something. You must understand, when dealing with liberals you have to make some attempt at being politically correct or else you will get nowhere.

So what ? Should we understand you are afraid of what liberals think of you ? If you think Islam is mostly peaceful, assume it. If you don't think so, don't write it. But THIS was really pathetic !
By the way, to reply your first post, I agree on the fact that most religions are basically peaceful. The meaning of the word religion in latin is "what makes a link between people". This doesn't mean religions can't be used as a way of turning people against each other, unfortunately. And I think it was very wise, after 9/11, to remind people in christian countries that Islam is basically peaceful, as it would be useful to remind people in muslim countries that christianity is peaceful too.

And for Tentmaker : too bad you just registered yesterday, you have missed all the fun with a guy called "Dealer of Dreams" - he just left the forum the same day ! What a coincidence !

Astrapol2,

A most unfortunate coincidence. I happened onto a farewell address that was "most interesting" by some member who appeared quite out of form over the non-cooperation of other members here. What came prior to that final post surely must have been fun and games.

Tentmaker